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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Heavy on the luck. I can't imagine 20 other GM's making the first 20 picks in each of those years on that list didn't do their homework. Well hey, if we use the pick, we have as much opportunity to get lucky as the next team.
    Definitely includes an element of luck.

    But not everyone is as competent. If you are a teacher with 20 kids in your class, all kids will not put the same work into an assignment, and even if they did, all kids would not produce the same result.

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    Here's a interesting conversation mcgary vs strokes ? Thoughts


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    Default The Raptors and the 2014 Draft

    McGary had back surgery, smokes weed and is 2 years older < Stokes


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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Definitely includes an element of luck.

    But not everyone is as competent. If you are a teacher with 20 kids in your class, all kids will not put the same work into an assignment, and even if they did, all kids would not produce the same result.
    True. What I mean is that if you look at MixAaor's list of good players that were picked after the 20th pick and consider they were for all drafted by different teams (or most, I don't have the list in front of me) and by different GM's, you can be confident in saying that the pick turned out good due to luck than research. Like 20 other GM's didn't know something that that particular GM, in that particular draft did. What were the picks made by the same GM's in corresponding drafts or prior drafts for that matter? Probably narrows the list of success rate quite a bit I'm guessing.

    My impression is that the most likely outcome is you could get a decent rotation guy that helps your bench with the 20th pick. If you're lucky there will be somebody there that can replace a weak area of your roster like the back up SF or SG spots that's an upgrade to Salmons and Fields, but it's not going to be someone that blows you away and makes you a contender (unless you are lucky). So in my opinion you either try to move up the draft to find someone that you think can take the spot of an existing starter and be better than the curren one or you use that pick in a trade for a better starter. Obviously it's not easy to do, but if the opprotunity is there and you're not depleting your assets completely, then I'd like to see Masaii be a bit aggressive.

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    @JLew1050: Ujiri on Ennis: "Fantastic kid. Very professional & carries himself the right way. You see his demeanour & I think he'll make a good pro"

    @JLew1050: Masai said he and his staff have been tracking Ennis for a long time. Open to all scenarios, including possibly trading up to land him

    @JLew1050: After all the hype, Masai said this draft is a bit overrated. Better than last year but not as deep as first advertised. Strength is at SG


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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    Here's a interesting conversation mcgary vs strokes ? Thoughts


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    McGary had back surgery, got caught smokin' weed and is two years older < Stokes


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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    @JLew1050: Ujiri on Ennis: "Fantastic kid. Very professional & carries himself the right way. You see his demeanour & I think he'll make a good pro"

    @JLew1050: Masai said he and his staff have been tracking Ennis for a long time. Open to all scenarios, including possibly trading up to land him

    @JLew1050: After all the hype, Masai said this draft is a bit overrated. Better than last year but not as deep as first advertised. Strength is at SG


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    Gives me hope Anderson will be drafted by us. MU will not trade up for Ennis he is blowing smoke.


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    No one trades up for a 6'2 point guard they are a dime a dozen


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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    No one trades up for a 6'2 point guard they are a dime a dozen


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    No one determines draft selection based solely on height. If Ennis could be the best PG in this draft, why wouldn't you consider trading up for him? Because he's got average height?

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    No one determines draft selection based solely on height. If Ennis could be the best PG in this draft, why wouldn't you consider trading up for him? Because he's got average height?
    Maybe too bold a statement but I don't see special when I watch Ennis. I take it back he could trade out of the second round to get him


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    Unless Masai feels Lowry won't stay we don't need a pg in this draft , please draft either a sf or pf with the 20 then backup c in the second rd

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    I agree with grind house. Best case scenario for Ennis to me would be Jose Calderon w/ a little better D. I don't think that's worth trading up for. Especially when your already deep in that position.


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    Masai ain't the type to show his hand. No way his trading up for Ennis.


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    I agree that they won't trade up for Ennis. They'll take him if he slips though.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I agree with grind house. Best case scenario for Ennis to me would be Jose Calderon w/ a little better D. I don't think that's worth trading up for. Especially when your already deep in that position.


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    There is uncertainty at that position though, both in the immediate (our PGs are free agents) and long-term (both our PGs are already in their prime with less than impeccable injury histories) sense.

    I don't know what Masai plans on doing, but Ennis and Payton could both end up being better than Exum or Smart as PGs.

    Drafting either Ennis or Payton would be very solid to me. I think both have at least some chance to be special. And either one could give us a long-term solution at PG.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    There is uncertainty at that position though, both in the immediate (our PGs are free agents) and long-term (both our PGs are already in their prime with less than impeccable injury histories) sense.

    I don't know what Masai plans on doing, but Ennis and Payton could both end up being better than Exum or Smart as PGs.

    Drafting either Ennis or Payton would be very solid to me. I think both have at least some chance to be special. And either one could give us a long-term solution at PG.
    I'm ok for drafting him 20th but you don't trade up for him.


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    Also, it really never hurts to blow some smoke around draft time. The less teams are sure of what you're doing the better.

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    I sure as hell hope we don't draft Kyle Anderson.
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    The raptors are a tremendous young team and will win a championship in the following five years.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Also, it really never hurts to blow some smoke around draft time. The less teams are sure of what you're doing the better.
    I hate when people make fun of Masai for saying "we're evaluating". Do you really want him to tell media everything? lool

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I'm ok for drafting him 20th but you don't trade up for him.

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    I think that depends on the deal, really. If it doesn't cost any core assets and you really like that player, why not see about trading up? There may be a team that just wants some mild cap relief or some such (we have a TPE and 2 non-guaranteed deals to work with there).

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