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    “You’re looking for guys who can come in and impact the game without needing the ball or without really needing a big role on the team,” Tolzman said. “And it’s guys like that where they kind of carve out a niche as a defensive-minded guy and then they improve all the other things and they become so much more well-rounded. And I think K.J.’s the same way. He can get on the floor because of his defence and, from there, who knows? The sky can be the limit with him because he does have all the athletic tools and ability on that side.”

    “When he first started he was pretty much just a high-wire, interior type guy,” Tolzman said. “This last year, he was all over the floor, did all different types of things offensively. I don’t know if he’s comfortable enough yet to come in and shoot the NBA three, but that’s definitely the type of thing where, as he gets more comfortable stretching his range out, he’ll absolutely be that type of guy.”

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    i think mcdaniels will become the next generation tony allen. Undersized guy who plays alot bigger. Thats not bad to get, allen guarded kd pretty well during their series
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    The Lakers are in a funny situation. I mean, does anyone really believe they can build any kind of winner around Kobe in the next couple of years? They have no good pieces on their roster. The smart move would be to keep the pick and start building for the post-Kobe era. But they may be too stubborn for that.
    Yeah, I agree. I think they believe they have the same sort of foundation as the Spurs, which is the furthest thing from the truth. They are screwd with nobody around Kobe to continue to make title pushes year after year, but it's the Lakers, and as long as there are free agents they have the bank roll. They should keep this pick, but my gut says they will deal it to make a title push now.

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    Daniels is too short to be a SF. His standing reach is in the SG range and he won't be able to contest people who decide to shoot over him.

    I think Stauskas becomes the best player in this draft not named Wiggins, Embiid or Exum. I would do a lot to move up to grab him.

    I think I've narrowed down the list of players I would draft to these guys.

    PG: Ennis/Payton
    SG: Stauskas
    SF: Hood, GR3
    PF:
    C: Bachynski

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    Thanasis blocks McDaniels Twice at 2:21:21 and once at 2:25:47.

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Daniels is too short to be a SF. His standing reach is in the SG range and he won't be able to contest people who decide to shoot over him.

    I think Stauskas becomes the best player in this draft not named Wiggins, Embiid or Exum. I would do a lot to move up to grab him.

    I think I've narrowed down the list of players I would draft to these guys.

    PG: Ennis/Payton
    SG: Stauskas
    SF: Hood, GR3
    PF:
    C: Bachynski
    Stauskas is definitely not going to be the best player in the draft after those guys. Old for a rookie, average athleticism, average measurables for a shooting guard. Below average first step, not fast at all. Not strong and also has mediocre lateral quickness so will probably be an average defender at best.

    Nothing indicates he'll be a scorer in the NBA. Probably a nice shooter and that's about it.

    Really not a fan of any of the guys on your list except for maybe Ennis.

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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    Stauskas is definitely not going to be the best player in the draft after those guys. Old for a rookie, average athleticism, average measurables for a shooting guard. Below average first step, not fast at all. Not strong and also has mediocre lateral quickness so will probably be an average defender at best.

    Nothing indicates he'll be a scorer in the NBA. Probably a nice shooter and that's about it.

    Really not a fan of any of the guys on your list except for maybe Ennis.
    Stauskas actually showed he was a pretty good athlete at the combine, and he knows how to dribble.

    He's got all the skills to be a Steph Curry lite.

    Which players do you like?

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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    Stauskas is definitely not going to be the best player in the draft after those guys. Old for a rookie, average athleticism, average measurables for a shooting guard. Below average first step, not fast at all. Not strong and also has mediocre lateral quickness so will probably be an average defender at best.

    Nothing indicates he'll be a scorer in the NBA. Probably a nice shooter and that's about it.

    Really not a fan of any of the guys on your list except for maybe Ennis.
    Only time will tell who is right on this one. I just think his strengths are immediately transferable to an NBA offense (shooting, PnR and dho).

    I think nearly everyone on the board would love to have Ennis. He seems like one of the bigger impact guys in the draft, and I think he is in the same tier as Stauskas just below Wiggins/Embiid/Exum

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Daniels is too short to be a SF. His standing reach is in the SG range and he won't be able to contest people who decide to shoot over him.

    I think Stauskas becomes the best player in this draft not named Wiggins, Embiid or Exum. I would do a lot to move up to grab him.

    I think I've narrowed down the list of players I would draft to these guys.

    PG: Ennis/Payton
    SG: Stauskas
    SF: Hood, GR3
    PF:
    C: Bachynski
    I think you mean McDaniels and NOT Daniels. Deandre Daniels is plenty tall/big enough to play SF in the NBA. He played SF and PF for UCONN this past season...

    Other than that, I have to respect imam's opinion. I would add Payton to my list, but I had a few chances to watch Payton play last year on tv, unlike most of us. He's the real deal. Also, I think Stauskas is deceptively athletic, but not even close to the options the Raptors already have. Hood is very one dimensional. GR3 allowed Stauskas, in a free-flowing offence to significantly outshine him. Bachynski is just a guy. I think he's NBA caliber, but we're talking end of bench here -- not a starter.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    Stauskas actually showed he was a pretty good athlete at the combine, and he knows how to dribble.

    He's got all the skills to be a Steph Curry lite.

    Which players do you like?
    In terms of potential, my favorite player that might fall to our range is LaVine, but that's extremely unlikely. I like Ennis a lot. Not many of the other prospects are really endearing to me and don't appear to have more than role player potential. Porzingis is interesting as well as a draft and stash guy.

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    Only time will tell who is right on this one. I just think his strengths are immediately transferable to an NBA offense (shooting, PnR and dho).

    I think nearly everyone on the board would love to have Ennis. He seems like one of the bigger impact guys in the draft, and I think he is in the same tier as Stauskas just below Wiggins/Embiid/Exum
    Not gonna argue that his strengths don't translate, but he isn't the 4th best player in this draft. His strengths translate in terms of him being a high level role player not a star.

    Ennis/Stauskas are tier 3 or maybe even tier 4 prospects. For me Tier 1 is the 3 you mentioned and tier 2 includes guys like Jabari, Vonleh, Smart and Randle.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    I think you mean McDaniels and NOT Daniels. Deandre Daniels is plenty tall/big enough to play SF in the NBA. He played SF and PF for UCONN this past season...

    Other than that, I have to respect imam's opinion. I would add Payton to my list, but I had a few chances to watch Payton play last year on tv, unlike most of us. He's the real deal. Also, I think Stauskas is deceptively athletic, but not even close to the options the Raptors already have. Hood is very one dimensional. GR3 allowed Stauskas, in a free-flowing offence to significantly outshine him. Bachynski is just a guy. I think he's NBA caliber, but we're talking end of bench here -- not a starter.
    Yes I do, nice catch. McDaniels not DeAndre

    Why do you think Hood is very one dimensional? He is a very good shooter and playmaker out of the PnR, can handle and run the offense from the SF position. I thought he out played Parker at Duke.

    GR3 and Nik comparison is poor because they have completely different skills and roles in the team. GR3 is not going to be an elite shooter or a good ball handler/playmaker/PnR/DHO guy like Stauskas. He is going to be a cutter and spot up shooter who focuses on defense.

    Bachynski is a late second round pick, who if he turns into a solid end of bench guy I would be super happy. Not everyone is going to be a superstar, especially at those really late picks.

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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    Not gonna argue that his strengths don't translate, but he isn't the 4th best player in this draft. His strengths translate in terms of him being a high level role player not a star.

    Ennis/Stauskas are tier 3 or maybe even tier 4 prospects. For me Tier 1 is the 3 you mentioned and tier 2 includes guys like Jabari, Vonleh, Smart and Randle.
    I think Stauskas is a tier 2 guy, same with Ennis.

    I am not sold on Parker but can't take him out of the second tier because he is uber talented. Smart is a tough one, but I think he is more of a Patrick Beverly, and that is his limits. He will need people around him who are better for him to win, he is a defensive role player.

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    I know this is a bit early but I watched a lot of Michigan last season and outside of Nik and GR3, the guy who impressed me the most was Chris LaVert. I think he is going to be a very good pro, too bad he is going back to school

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Yes I do, nice catch. McDaniels not DeAndre

    Why do you think Hood is very one dimensional? He is a very good shooter and playmaker out of the PnR, can handle and run the offense from the SF position. I thought he out played Parker at Duke.

    GR3 and Nik comparison is poor because they have completely different skills and roles in the team. GR3 is not going to be an elite shooter or a good ball handler/playmaker/PnR/DHO guy like Stauskas. He is going to be a cutter and spot up shooter who focuses on defense.

    Bachynski is a late second round pick, who if he turns into a solid end of bench guy I would be super happy. Not everyone is going to be a superstar, especially at those really late picks.
    Rodney Hood IS one dimensional. He's a great shooter and that's about it. The only reason he really did any damage off the dribble in college is because he went up against 4s a lot. Good luck doing that against proper NBA-level wing defenders. Not that athletic, short wingspan and not a good defender at all. Doesn't rebound the ball well either.

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    I think Stauskas is a tier 2 guy, same with Ennis.

    I am not sold on Parker but can't take him out of the second tier because he is uber talented. Smart is a tough one, but I think he is more of a Patrick Beverly, and that is his limits. He will need people around him who are better for him to win, he is a defensive role player.
    No shit he will... the only players that don't need better players around them to win are superstars. The same can be said for Stauskas and company.

    Parker, Smart, Randle and Vonleh are all a tier above Stauskas as prospects. Those are guys who have legitimate all-star potential, while Stauskas is really not in that category.

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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    Rodney Hood IS one dimensional. He's a great shooter and that's about it. The only reason he really did any damage off the dribble in college is because he went up against 4s a lot. Good luck doing that against proper NBA-level wing defenders. Not that athletic, short wingspan and not a good defender at all. Doesn't rebound the ball well either.
    I will give you short wingspan. But he is pretty athletic. He has a good first step and by all accounts that I have seen is he has good lateral quicks. He needs to get a stronger upper body to muscle through contact, but so does nearly every kid.



    Also Hood played the three, and Parker played the four, so I have no idea where you got that from. He has his holes and is a bigger project than the rest of the guys on that list, but he has the potential to do a lot at the pro level. If it came down to GR3 or Hood, I take GR3 9 times out of 10.

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    No shit he will... the only players that don't need better players around them to win are superstars. The same can be said for Stauskas and company.

    Parker, Smart, Randle and Vonleh are all a tier above Stauskas as prospects. Those are guys who have legitimate all-star potential, while Stauskas is really not in that category.
    My statement was meant as Smart wont be more than a role player (like a Patrick Beverly), and not one of the top 3/4 talented players on his team.

    Stauskas carried his team while being extremely efficient. That is a lot more than all those guys you listed. Parker didn't carry his team to anything, Smart was a loser, Randle got carried and Vonleh is a huge project.

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Daniels is too short to be a SF. His standing reach is in the SG range and he won't be able to contest people who decide to shoot over him.

    I think Stauskas becomes the best player in this draft not named Wiggins, Embiid or Exum. I would do a lot to move up to grab him.

    I think I've narrowed down the list of players I would draft to these guys.

    PG: Ennis/Payton
    SG: Stauskas
    SF: Hood, GR3
    PF:
    C: Bachynski
    If Ross can contest shots well with his 6'7" wingspan. I think McDaniels will be fine with his 6'11.5" wingspan.
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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    I will give you short wingspan. But he is pretty athletic. He has a good first step and by all accounts that I have seen is he has good lateral quicks. He needs to get a stronger upper body to muscle through contact, but so does nearly every kid.
    His lateral quicks and athleticism are just average, and he has a low motor/poor hustle on the defensive side of the ball. There's no indication that he's going to be a good defender at the NBA level.



    Also Hood played the three, and Parker played the four, so I have no idea where you got that from. He has his holes and is a bigger project than the rest of the guys on that list, but he has the potential to do a lot at the pro level. If it came down to GR3 or Hood, I take GR3 9 times out of 10.
    Actually you're completely wrong. Jabari Parker played CENTER for Duke. He doesn't have good potential, physical tools are just meh and that's about it. Also he's old for a rookie at 21 years old.



    My statement was meant as Smart wont be more than a role player (like a Patrick Beverly), and not one of the top 3/4 talented players on his team.

    Stauskas carried his team while being extremely efficient. That is a lot more than all those guys you listed. Parker didn't carry his team to anything, Smart was a loser, Randle got carried and Vonleh is a huge project.
    Smart has a much better chance of being a star than Stauskas. He's incredibly strong, has a lightning-quick first step, an elite wingspan, and gets to the free throw line at an incredible rate. Rebounds at an elite level for his position. Can create off the bounce for himself and his teammates as well. Also has incredible two-way potential as an amazing defender and is a total pickpocket averaging 2.9 steals per game in college. Also not sure how he's a loser. Yes his team didn't well in the tournament, but he's known as a great leader and team player.

    I really would like a fucking explanation for how Randle got "carried". He averaged 15-10 on 50% FG during the season, and put up about the same numbers in the tourney, including 16-11 against Stauskas' Wolverines in the elite eight. He was the best player, leading scorer and rebounder on the Wildcats so I'm really not sure what in the hell you're talking about.

    Yes Vonleh is a project but he has tremendous upside. Only 18 years old, has elite length and athleticism. Can shoot the ball incredibly well for his position. Has already shown the ability to block shots and be a significant factor on the defensive side of the ball. Tremendous rebounding ability. The only real knock on Vonleh is basketball IQ and that should improve as his feel for the game gets better with age and proper coaching. Stauskas doesn't even compare as a prospect.

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    I seriously cannot believe that you're trying to argue that Stauskas is the 4th best prospect in the draft. Just ridiculous. Almost as bad as your "Dion Waiters is better than DeMar" episode.

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    I think I've narrowed down the list of players I would draft to these guys.

    PG: Ennis/Payton
    SG: Stauskas
    SF: Hood, GR3
    PF:
    C: Bachynski
    My list right now is:

    PG: Ennis, Napier
    SG: Stauskas, Harris, T-Po, Dinwiddie
    SF: McDaniels, Inglis, Ejim, Early
    PF: Payne, Powell, Birch
    C: Bachynski

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