The Raptors and the 2014 Draft

[planetmars]

I'm still highly concerned about the PG spot. Lowry's status won't be known until after the draft. If he walks and in my mind its 50/50.. what do we do? GV is okay but not the future. I totally get drafting BPA but the need is PG unless Lowry resigns. Have to get a PG in this draft..

So Minny will probably get to keep their pick (top 13 protected to Phoenix). If Minny believes they have a chance to keep Love next year do they trade that pick for a veteran? I think 13 could get you Ennis.

Wonder what we could offer to grab that pick? They need wing depth.. and I wouldn't give up Ross for #13.. DD maybe but don't like anyone on their roster not named Kevin Love.

[MACK11]

I'm still highly concerned about the PG spot. Lowry's status won't be known until after the draft. If he walks and in my mind its 50/50.. what do we do? GV is okay but not the future. I totally get drafting BPA but the need is PG unless Lowry resigns. Have to get a PG in this draft..

So Minny will probably get to keep their pick (top 13 protected to Phoenix). If Minny believes they have a chance to keep Love next year do they trade that pick for a veteran? I think 13 could get you Ennis.

Wonder what we could offer to grab that pick? They need wing depth.. and I wouldn't give up Ross for #13.. DD maybe but don't like anyone on their roster not named Kevin Love.

I understand what your saying but you always I repeat always pick BPA!!!!!!

You dont want to look at this draft 5 years from now and say we picked a PG in case Lowry walks and someone who picks after us ends up with a gem!

[WJF]

You draft the BPA period. You don't draft based on need.

This theory works within the the top 5-6 picks, maybe all the way to top 10, but after that the BPA label gets very blurry.

Rank the Following players:

Gary Harris
Kyle Anderson
Tyler Ennis
Rodney Hood
TJ Warren
Doug McDermott
Nick Stauskas

Do you think there is a clear order? Ask 10 people and 10 people will give you a different list.

[The Great One]

Exactly! Thats how you end up drafting Greg Oden over KD Marvin Williams over Chris Paul/Deron Williams

Or Ross over Drummond

[white men can't jump]

Exactly! Thats how you end up drafting Greg Oden over KD Marvin Williams over Chris Paul/Deron Williams

Um....Greg Oden was the consensus #1 pick.

And Marvin Williams was considered BPA by Atlanta. They had no real need for him, having drafted Josh Smith the previous year. *EDIT: but they had a glaring gigantic hole at PG and passed on those guys for Williams.

I get what you're saying, but these are the wrong examples.

*EDIT: These 2 teams followed it and it backfired massively. The draft is just very far from an exact science.

[MACK11]

This theory works within the the top 5-6 picks, maybe all the way to top 10, but after that the BPA label gets very blurry.

Rank the Following players:

Gary Harris
Kyle Anderson
Tyler Ennis
Rodney Hood
TJ Warren
Doug McDermott
Nick Stauskas

Do you think there is a clear order? Ask 10 people and 10 people will give you a different list.

Ennis and Harris are gonna be the 2 best pro's outta that group

[white men can't jump]

This theory works within the the top 5-6 picks, maybe all the way to top 10, but after that the BPA label gets very blurry.

Rank the Following players:

Gary Harris
Kyle Anderson
Tyler Ennis
Rodney Hood
TJ Warren
Doug McDermott
Nick Stauskas

Do you think there is a clear order? Ask 10 people and 10 people will give you a different list.

I would even say that it's rarely clear even in the top 5. Usually who the top 5-6 should be is clear. But there is rarely consensus for those picks. At best usually the top 2-3 have some consensus.

[MACK11]

Um....Greg Oden was the consensus #1 pick.

And Marvin Williams was considered BPA by Atlanta. They had no real need for him, having drafted Josh Smith the previous year.

I get what you're saying, but these are the wrong examples.

Okay how about ROSS over Drummond?

[The Great One]

This theory works within the the top 5-6 picks, maybe all the way to top 10, but after that the BPA label gets very blurry.

Rank the Following players:

Gary Harris
Kyle Anderson
Tyler Ennis
Rodney Hood
TJ Warren
Doug McDermott
Nick Stauskas

Do you think there is a clear order? Ask 10 people and 10 people will give you a different list.

Harris
Ennis
McDermott
Stauskas
Anderson
Hood
Warren

[planetmars]

I understand what your saying but you always I repeat always pick BPA!!!!!!

You dont want to look at this draft 5 years from now and say we picked a PG in case Lowry walks and someone who picks after us ends up with a gem!

Yeah and as WJF and WMCJ just mentioned.. the BPA is usually the guys in the top 5-6 of the draft, not in the 15-20 range typically. That's usually when teams draft based on need or for role players that can help bolster the bench. You don't hear about players being picked 17 or 18 that shouldn't have because the guy at 19 was the BPA.

[MACK11]

Draft 2012
Selected guard Evan Fournier (20th overalll pick), forward Quincy Miller (38th overall pick) and center Izzet Turkyilmaz (50th overall pick).

I think somthing can be learned from the last draft Masai was involved in. We are likely picking at 20,37 and 59 so I think we might end up with a similar philosophy.

His only other pick was Faried at 20 in 2011 so for what it's worth I think he's a good enough talent evaluator. Possibly evolved as a gm since then since it's been almost 2 years since his last pick. Just pointing out this could perhaps be the template he could potentially follow again

BPAat 20
Highest upside pick at 37
And euro stasher at 59

[3inthekeon]

Yeah and as WJF and WMCJ just mentioned.. the BPA is usually the guys in the top 5-6 of the draft, not in the 15-20 range typically. That's usually when teams draft based on need or for role players that can help bolster the bench. You don't hear about players being picked 17 or 18 that shouldn't have because the guy at 19 was the BPA.

Michael Bradley - Zach Randolph?

Edit - Joey Graham/Danny Granger

[WJF]

Remember when the Fans is Toronto all booed when Mighty Mouse was drafted, all wanted the ED O'Bannon, he was at the time the hot name and considered BPA

[white men can't jump]

Okay how about ROSS over Drummond?

Well, we'll see how that turns out.

[WJF]

Michael Bradley - Zach Randolph?

Zach took a long time to reach his potential, has maturity and conditioning issues coming out of college, no surprise on that pick.