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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post


    Skip to 10:19:
    "Bit of a tweener on D. Too short for Cs, too slow for PFs. Very mobile but doesn't move all that well laterally. Not a rim protector due to size, ATHL, average awareness. Struggles containing the ball at times during the pick-and-roll."

    11:14 is where the clips of other PFs breaking him down away from the basket starts.
    Thanks for backing up your point. I did watch that video, but I took away from it that he was fast (not so laterally) and strong. I do admit being wrong, they do point out he is slow for PFs.
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    • A wave of disappointment rippled through NBA front offices when Latvian forward Kristaps Porzingis pulled out of the draft last week. Dallas and Oklahoma City were both hot on him, and there was an outside chance he could have been picked in the lottery. One NBA executive said he believes Porzingis could be a top-five pick next season.
    I've got my European player to watch next year!

    • Chicago is aggressively trying to move its two first-round picks, according to rival executives. The Bulls are believed to be looking for either a veteran scorer or the chance to move up in the draft to select a young wing player with scoring potential.
    Hmmmmmm. What if the aggression is an indirect move to get a veteran scorer who currently plays for the Knicks?

    • The fascination with Noah Vonleh continues. Teams are falling in love with his physical tools and shooting potential. He will get strong consideration anywhere from 4 to 8. An aside: Vonleh is the centerpiece of a draft feature in this week's Sports Illustrated.
    I still love Vonleh! Just resigned to the fact it is unlikely to be possible..... unless Lowry is signed and traded to the Lakers!

    • Picks 25-30 can be had for the right price. New York, Brooklyn and New Orleans are calling around looking to get into the first round. Don't be surprised if one or more of those teams wind up trading for one of those picks.
    I really like this year's draft depth. Would be happy to get a late pick.

    SI.com latest mock in link too:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...r/?eref=sircrc
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    Remember when Ennis was a top-8 pick?

    People have too short a memory. You have to take advantage of that.

    It's the same deal with Capela and having one bad week at the Nike Hoop Summit, he got 4 fouls in like 5 minutes. So what? I'm sure he was hyped up having a chance to showcase himself.

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    Did you guys see this? Historical breakdowns of picks at that number. Here's twenty:

    http://www.draftexpress.com/NBA-draf...-stats/20/PER/

    I'd advise for your sanity to not look at #59.
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    Did you guys see this? Historical breakdowns of picks at that number. Here's twenty:

    http://www.draftexpress.com/NBA-draf...-stats/20/PER/

    I'd advise for your sanity to not look at #59.
    Lol, I feel you, but I prefer to look at the percentage of say, Chad Ford's tier 4 players that turn into starters.

    I feel like those numbers don't really give an accurate idea of what's going to happen on a year to year or pick to pick basis.

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    Quote Employee wrote: View Post
    Did you guys see this? Historical breakdowns of picks at that number. Here's twenty:

    http://www.draftexpress.com/NBA-draf...-stats/20/PER/

    I'd advise for your sanity to not look at #59.
    Also the median PER stat they have is really cool. Shows what kind of player to expect. Historically speaking!
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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    Lol, I feel you, but I prefer to look at the percentage of say, Chad Ford's tier 4 players that turn into starters.

    I feel like those numbers don't really give an accurate idea of what's going to happen on a year to year or pick to pick basis.
    That an insider thing?
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    That an insider thing?
    I've seen that historic thing a lot, and I've kinda wracked my brain to figure out a better way to measure a specific draft or player, and I think looking how accurate these predictions are historically, is probably the best way. Now, I don't have the energy to do that, but maybe one day soon.

    Tier 1

    Joel Embiid
    Jabari Parker
    Andrew Wiggins

    Last year, we didn't have any player in this category. This category is usually reserved for guys who are sure-fire All-Stars or "franchise" players. Since 2009, only Griffin, John Wall and Davis have been ranked in this slot. This year, there are three players in Tier 1 -- as many as there have been in the last five years combined. All of them received Tier 1 votes from every GM, exec and scout I surveyed. So if there is any consensus out there, it's that there are three really great prizes in this year's draft.


    Tier 2

    Dante Exum
    Aaron Gordon
    Julius Randle
    Dario Saric
    Marcus Smart
    Noah Vonleh

    Last year, Tier 2 also was empty for the first time since I've been doing this column. That should tell you something about how poorly regarded last year's class was. Tier 2 is reserved for players who are projected as potential All-Stars by scouts. They are typical high lottery picks in a normal draft. In 2012, Bradley Beal, Harrison Barnes, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist all got the nod as Tier 2 players. In 2011, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams were in this tier. This year, six players are here, which is a high number (as is the case with having three players in Tier 1). Two of these players -- Exum and Vonleh -- even got a couple of votes for Tier 1.

    This is where the strength of the draft really shines, in my opinion. This means that NBA GMs, scouts and execs believe that there could be as many as nine potential All-Stars in the draft class, with three of them being franchise players. You have to go back more than a decade -- to the 2003 draft, where eight players ended up making an All-Star team -- to get a draft that loaded. While none of the players on the list are LeBron James-type players, there is incredible value here.

    Tier 3

    Gary Harris
    Doug McDermott
    Nik Stauskas

    In 2013, we put the top six players in the draft in Tier 3: Nerlens Noel, Anthony Bennett, Ben McLemore, Alex Len, Victor Oladipo and Otto Porter. That means that all nine guys listed in Tier 1 or Tier 2 would have been drafted ahead of the top six players in 2013.

    This tier is usually reserved for players who are projected as NBA starters in their careers. This year, this tier is a little on the small side. While there were a number of votes for various players for this tier, these were the only three who had a consensus. None of the Tier 3 players were voted on for Tier 2 status, and none of them were voted for Tier 4; that makes things pretty clean. All three should be gone before the lottery is through, with McDermott, especially, looking like a lock for the Top 10.

    Tier 4

    Tyler Ennis
    Rodney Hood
    Zach LaVine
    Jusuf Nurkic
    Elfrid Payton
    Adreian Payne
    Kristaps Porzingis
    James Young

    Tier 4 typically includes late lottery picks to mid-first-round selections in a normal draft, or selections 10 through 20. These players project as either starters or top-tier rotation players.

    Payton and Young got a small number of votes for Tier 3. Nurkic got a Tier 3 vote, as well. But the majority of teams had them ranked in Tier 4. Ennis and Payne were ranked as Tier 4 by every team I spoke with. LaVine, Hood, Nurkic and Porzingis had some Tier 5 votes, but the majority of their votes were in Tier 4.
    for the record, tier 5 has like 20 guys, and they all predict to be decent rotation players, so if we could snag a couple picks in the late first or early 2nd, that could pan out well down the line.
    Last edited by stooley; Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 05:58 PM.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    Remember when Ennis was a top-8 pick?

    People have too short a memory. You have to take advantage of that.

    It's the same deal with Capela and having one bad week at the Nike Hoop Summit, he got 4 fouls in like 5 minutes. So what? I'm sure he was hyped up having a chance to showcase himself.
    Yeah, there's been some crazy yoyoing of prospects this year, because that middle prospect tier (anywhere from about 8-25) is so close. I think 8 was way too high for him, and 20 is too low, but I'll be happy if he falls. Same with Capela. I think there's a decent chance of some guy who's been often cited as a lottery pick falling to us. Whether that guy is the right choice for us is another matter.
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    Also the median PER stat they have is really cool. Shows what kind of player to expect. Historically speaking!
    Worth noting that with a median PER of 11.1, every spot from 21 to 29 has a higher median PER than #20. So historically #20 hasn't done particularly well at drafting the best players available; a 'best players available' median would reflect better on what's typically available at the #20 spot.
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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    Worth noting that with a median PER of 11.1, every spot from 21 to 29 has a higher median PER than #20. So historically #20 hasn't done particularly well at drafting the best players available; a 'best players available' median would reflect better on what's typically available at the #20 spot.
    yeah, that'd be another cool idea, probably the best bet for us trying to imagine a best case scenario

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    More STokes porn:


    Jarnell Stokes – If you watched this year’s NCAA Tournament, there’s a good chance you know about Stokes. He was the monster for Tennessee who looked like a man among boys and consistently racked up double-doubles. Now, he’s performing similarly well in pre-draft workouts and seems to be solidifying himself as a first-round pick.

    For much of the college season, Stokes was being projected as a second-rounder because teams worried that he was a bit undersized as a power forward and they weren’t sure if his skills would translate to the NBA. However, as teams have gotten a chance to see Stokes up close in workouts, they are confident that he can continue to be an interior force at the next level.

    Stokes is 6’8.5 with a 7’1.25 wingspan, but it’s his mass and strength that separates him from a lot of big men. He weighs 263 lbs. and is incredibly strong, as evidenced by his 22 bench-press reps at the combine, where the all-time record is 27 reps.

    His lower-body strength is ridiculous and his legs literally look like tree trunks, allowing him to move and overpower players who are bigger than him. What’s even more impressive is that Stokes says he had never really done squats until beginning his pre-draft training, which means he should be able to get even stronger once he enters an NBA development program.

    Stokes is an excellent scorer and a beast on the offensive glass. He’s also young for a junior at 20 years old. Stokes has been on the NBA radar for quite awhile, since he was one of the top high school players in the 2011 class. This season at Tennessee, he averaged 15.1 points and 10.6 rebounds while shooting 53.1 percent from the field. Several years ago, he wanted to become more of perimeter player and modeled his game after Carmelo Anthony. However, he now understands that he’s at his best down low and he started studying film of Karl Malone and David West during his junior season.

    Stokes is drawing interest from a number of teams in the 25-30 range, with the Miami HEAT said to really like him at No. 26. They’ve already worked him out once and are bringing him back for a second workout, which is why you’re starting to see Stokes to Miami in many mock drafts.

    In a recent ESPN article by numbers guru Kevin Pelton, Stokes was rated the 12th-best prospect in terms of wins above replacement player projection.

    Also, here’s a story to give you of an idea of Stokes’ toughness and competitiveness. He was recently being driven to a workout for the Indiana Pacers, when a car came out of nowhere and crashed into his vehicle. Stokes sustained a concussion, lacerations and his face was covered in blood, but he had to be talked into getting into an ambulance to go the hospital because he still wanted to make it to his Pacers workouts. Doctors told him that he would likely need to take three-to-four weeks off, but Stokes was back working out for teams one week later after reshuffling his schedule. That’s the kind of guy that I want on my team.

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    Anyone know what's happening with Canadian Brady heslip? Is he staying in college or what?

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    More STokes porn:
    And apparently he has a 3!
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    If u want a picture of stokes playing sf I would say the best comparison would be corliss williamson. Btw I don't think he can play that in the nba


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    Quote TrossTheBOSS wrote: View Post
    Anyone know what's happening with Canadian Brady heslip? Is he staying in college or what?
    He was a senior this year so he's done in college. But I've never heard him discussed as an NBA prospect, and I assume he's Europe-bound.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Chuck Hayes is a pretty bad comparison for Stokes. Stokes is more of a Sullinger type of player. Strong as an ox, great rebounder, great finisher inside. He can shoot the ball as well. My only concern w/ him is his height. He's 6'8. That's just too small for a PF in the NBA level.

    Karl Malone was another 6'8" 260 LB power forward who had a pretty good career.

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    Quote Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
    Karl Malone was another 6'8" 260 LB power forward who had a pretty good career.
    And he's supposedly modelling his game after Malone and David West, who are both not far off his size.

    I don't know, I think Stokes has a chance to be better than his draft position even if we take him at 20. Probably a small chance though, but he also probably is a decent piece at worst, like a slightly better DeJuan Blair with knees.

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    Eh I think Stokes @ 20 is kind of way too high for him.. Realistically we could get perhaps Ennis/Payton and I would really prefer those guys over him.... I think Stokes will still be available at 37

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