The Raptors and the 2014 Draft

[guyroch]

Fun watching old NBA drafts ... Watched Vince Carter draft ... Really Clippers Michael Olowokandi ?? A player who took up the sport at the age of 18 and you pick him number 1 ...

[OptimalOptimist]

James Young has great size, if he has a work ethic like DeMar he could become really, really good. 6'7 with a 6'11 wingspan. Hes also a good shooter.

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I totally agree, I have no ideas why he is falling on draft boards.

[Demographic Shift]

Bosh could probably get a max contract. The role he's playing in MIA suppresses his numbers. Whereas Wade is just done.

You probably shouldn't use that Shaq quote as evidence he can't get a max contract, since he said that before Bosh signed his last max contract.

We agree that Wade is pretty much half to a quarter of the player he once was. So now he either does a full mother Theresa and opts out of his deal and restructures the next one for say 3 over 50 or just takes what hes owed which is 42M over 2. When push comes to shove in the NBA money talks.
Bosh we are going to have disagree on. As father time marches on it changes Bosh's ability to be an inside presence. So thats why I gave the cheap shot quote from Shaq. Since he left the Raps he has morphed into a stretch 4 and there are a lot of stretch 4's out there. Maybe not all in Bosh's class or pedigree but they come considerably cheaper. At this stage of his career CB4 is not a difference maker or have the potential to be the difference maker to put a contending team over the top. At least not at a 20M+per price tag

[Mediumcore]

But honestly. Bosh was being used the wrong way in Miami! They just made him a pure jump shooter. I honestly believe he will land a near max to Max deal with Miami or Houston




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He won two rings with the way Miami used him. While in Toronto he was averaging 20 & 10 and couldn't get his team above .500.

I think the more important thing is that even if he goes back to a system that allows him to average big numbers, how does he help the team win? He really doesn't contribute to that and his defence is just so much worse as he gets older. He's probably worth around $10 - $12 mil, due to the numbers he can put up, but I'd be surprised if he got more than that.

[magoon]

The Celtics Draft Picks this year are 6&17. Next year they can offer their own first which will be a lottery pick anywhere from 7 to 12. The other 1st pick in 2015 is Philly's but its lottery protected and if Philly lands in the lottery again (high probability) its becomes a 2nd. THey also have a high 20's pick from the Clips. Sullinger is a bit of a problem with his back, some brushes with the law and that we went wild over Kyle Anderson body fat being at 13% Sullinger just might make him look in shape. Jeff Green is 3/4 and Cleveland appears to have cornered the market on those types. Irving has argueably more value than Rondo right now. Ainge is just blowing smoke.

You're forgetting about the Brooklyn first-rounders in '16 and 18, and the right to swap first-rounders with Brooklyn in '17, and the forthcoming second-rounders from Miami and the Clippers. Green is a good third option, Sullinger is a good player with a proven track record so his body fat isn't really an issue (nobody's going to complain about Boris Diaw being fat either; the concerns about Anderson are precisely because he's unproven in the NBA), Rondo has immense value if the Cavs want to explore other trades or three-way deals, and the #6 at least is high enough this year to get you a quality starter at the potential All-Star level.

Again: Boston has a ton of assets, and if they truly want the #1 can flood the Cavs with them.

Monroe is not under contract for next year and pretty sure CBA says you can't trade him. Joe Dumars signing of Josh Smith likely cost him his job. He has to go to a cap friendly team and those teams tend to be wretched and are looking to the future. Josh isn't the future. He does have value in the right system its just a pretty thin aperature on that ven diagram.

Monroe is an RFA and therefore quite tradeable if the Pistons can find a team where he wants to go - they trade Monroe to a team looking for a quality power forward, take back some junk salary to make it easier on the other team, and that's probably worth a low-end first round pick at least.

We are just going to have to disagree on the Bosh max deal. Its subjective on my part and yours. Right now he can collect 40M over two years guaranteed. While anything is possible I don't share your view that the probability is high that CB4 could attract a 3 year 60M deal or 4 year 70-75M deal anywhere in the NBA unless those millions were paid in Lire.

Dallas will woo him with a max. Atlanta will too. So will other teams. You are wildly underrating him.

[OptimalOptimist]

Why are you guys talking about Miami in this RAPTORS DRAFT thread.

[MACK11]

With Tyler Ennis, who said his prediction is Toronto or Orlando for him: pic.twitter.com/9Z4jiskGhx

— Andy Katz (@ESPNAndyKatz) June 25, 2014

With Shabazz Napier. He won't predict! But he did say best workout was Chicago. So pleased to be invited here. pic.twitter.com/Uvi2JqLGc3

— Andy Katz (@ESPNAndyKatz) June 25, 2014

With Doug McDermott. He predicts Charlotte. That seems to be the consensus. pic.twitter.com/ixiue9nTIb

— Andy Katz (@ESPNAndyKatz) June 25, 2014

With Elfrid Payton. He is predicting Sacramento or Lakers. Worked out for Lakers twice. pic.twitter.com/nk7PkvkGcq

— Andy Katz (@ESPNAndyKatz) June 25, 2014

Noah Vonleh could palm my head with those hands. He said he thinks Orlando or Phily for him. No. 3 or 4 is possible. pic.twitter.com/g2blyffmlU

— Andy Katz (@ESPNAndyKatz) June 25, 2014

[Demographic Shift]

You're forgetting about the Brooklyn first-rounders in '16 and 18, and the right to swap first-rounders with Brooklyn in '17, and the forthcoming second-rounders from Miami and the Clippers. Green is a good third option, Sullinger is a good player with a proven track record so his body fat isn't really an issue (nobody's going to complain about Boris Diaw being fat either; the concerns about Anderson are precisely because he's unproven in the NBA), Rondo has immense value if the Cavs want to explore other trades or three-way deals, and the #6 at least is high enough this year to get you a quality starter at the potential All-Star level.

Again: Boston has a ton of assets, and if they truly want the #1 can flood the Cavs with them.

Volume does not beget quality. Brooklyns first in 2016 maybe anywhere from 12 to 24. Who knows. The 2018 pick is 5 season removed from today. Last years GM and Coach in Cleveland lost their jobs because they didn't get into the playoffs and I think the guy in the chair wants to keep his and will use the 1st overall pick in a quality draft class. There just isn't enough in the right now for Cleveland to listen to Boston or anyone else.

Monroe is an RFA and therefore quite tradeable if the Pistons can find a team where he wants to go - they trade Monroe to a team looking for a quality power forward, take back some junk salary to make it easier on the other team, and that's probably worth a low-end first round pick at least.

Or not. If Monroe is not under contract you can't trade him now. So its a sign and trade post draft and maybe the Pistons just take all the mystery out and just match the best offer sheet and move on.

Dallas will woo him with a max. Atlanta will too. So will other teams. You are wildly underrating him.

We will find out one way or the other in about 10 days. We both think we are assessing this correctly. If he resigns with Miami then we will never know as it will be his last major deal. If resigns elsewhere we will see.

[Demographic Shift]

Why are you guys talking about Miami in this RAPTORS DRAFT thread.

Because we have beaten the raptors draft scenarios and FA signings to death. Its now wait and see time for the Raps picks and FA moves on July 1 to come clearer after Thursday nights draft conclusion.

With Lebrons move to opt out to open up his options and the Heats options its something new to talk and speculate about. We do have a Lebron to the Raps thread though perhaps it its better suited there.

[Miekenstien]

No. We have Bird Rights for Lowry, and he's unrestricted. So long as the player is coming off a contract (or combination of contracts playing for the same team) at least 3 years in length, their team has the player's Bird Rights. Only if you renounce your rights to a player do you a) lose their Bird Rights and your ability to exceed the cap to re-sign them and b) free up cap room by removing their cap hold.

thank you

[TrossTheBOSS]

Draft is tmrw yay! Hope to see u fellas here.

[rocwell]

NBA prospect Andrew Wiggins was questioned by police about a stabbing outside of a nightclub where he was partying this weekend ... but he's NOT considered a suspect ... TMZ Sports has learned.

We know ... Wiggins was at Time nightclub in Toronto -- partying with Juicy J from Three 6 Mafia -- early Monday morning when 2 people were stabbed outside the club around 1:30 AM.

Cops raced to the scene ... and we're told they interviewed several people in the hopes of getting a description of the suspect -- including 19-year-old Wiggins and Juicy J.

Law enforcement tells us ... the victims took themselves to the hospital for treatment (and will be OK) ... but were not cooperative with police.

Cops are adamant both Wiggins and Juicy J were never considered suspects -- and it's unclear if they were able to provide any valuable information to cops.

So far, no arrests have been made.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/tmzsports#ixzz35fG69mhL

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[ball4life]

tmz

YEAPP! putting T.O on the map... what the hell is Juicy J doing in Toronto SMH

[Letter N]

YEAPP! putting T.O on the map... what the hell is Juicy J doing in Toronto SMH

I'll give you 2 guesses as to what a musician was doing in Toronto.

Take your time.



Gotta love TMZ though, something happened within a 200 yard radius of someone famous?? Better make a headline linking that celebrity to it!

[ball4life]

I'll give you 2 guesses as to what a musician was doing in Toronto.

Take your time.



Gotta love TMZ though, something happened within a 200 yard radius of someone famous?? Better make a headline linking that celebrity to it!

Is it Drake? is it Wiggins? woww we got actual celebrity not named Rob Ford in town nowadays LOL TMZ better open a branch up in here #WeTheNorth