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    I've long touted Gary Harris, but he is certainly going to be long gone by the time the Raps pick. Probably the best SG in the draft.
    oh for sure, just a couple guys i'd love to see MU move up 10 spots or so and grab.
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    What this Raps team need is a PF. Just noticed that nbadraft.net has Aaron Gordon going at #18. That is CRAZY. Pretty sure he'll be a top 10 pick same with Zach LaVine. No way he's there at 19. I expect both to be a top 10 pick this year.
    i'd be pretty shocked if Gordon declared this year tbh
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    oh for sure, just a couple guys i'd love to see MU move up 10 spots or so and grab.
    I love Harris, but he isn't likely a guy I'd trade up for since we already have DD and Ross. Noah Vonleh is probably the only guy I'd swing the fences for (outside of the top 5), and then probably LaVine would be worth moving up 3-5 slots.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    What this Raps team need is a PF. Just noticed that nbadraft.net has Aaron Gordon going at #18. That is CRAZY. Pretty sure he'll be a top 10 pick same with Zach LaVine. No way he's there at 19. I expect both to be a top 10 pick this year.
    They need a PF but I'm not sure if the draft is the best place to obtain one.. especially if the team wants to maintain its 3rd/4th seed in the East. Gordon is so raw still that it will take him a few years to become a great player (assuming he becomes one).

    I know you draft BPA but I'd be very happy if they got a PG... we've been looking for a PG for a long time and if Lowry ends up walking the Raptors will be screwed.

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    I love Harris, but he isn't likely a guy I'd trade up for since we already have DD and Ross. Noah Vonleh is probably the only guy I'd swing the fences for (outside of the top 5), and then probably LaVine would be worth moving up 3-5 slots.
    While i agree getting a guy like Harris might be overkill, i don't think the value of a good sixth man is really appreciated.

    Vonleh is certainly very intriguing as well.
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    While i agree getting a guy like Harris might be overkill, i don't think the value of a good sixth man is really appreciated.

    Vonleh is certainly very intriguing as well.
    Harris would be an awesome 6th man (good handles, great shot). I just don't think the cost to acquire a high enough pick is worth it. In 2013 draft, you probably could have gotten a 9th pick relatively cheap, but 2014 everything is premium priced. Unless the team is going all-in on the rebuild (letting Lowry walk or S&T and trading Demar for Gary Harris), just don't see the point in paying premium prices.

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    I love Harris, but he isn't likely a guy I'd trade up for since we already have DD and Ross. Noah Vonleh is probably the only guy I'd swing the fences for (outside of the top 5), and then probably LaVine would be worth moving up 3-5 slots.
    I agree. Don't really know much about Vonleh. But LaVine is definitely worth trading up. I don't think we have the assets to land a guy like LaVine though. I'm not trading JV, DD or Ross for him.
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    I agree. Don't really know much about Vonleh. But LaVine is definitely worth trading up. I don't think we have the assets to land a guy like LaVine though. I'm not trading JV, DD or Ross for him.
    If LaVine falls out of the lottery, I really hope that MU moves up to draft him. I think this would be the perfect situation for him. He's raw, and he would be able to learn the game behind Lowry, one of the Raps best PGs of all time (not sure how I feel about that...). He wouldn't be forced to contribute right away, and we have a really positive atmosphere with a bunch of hard working guys, which I think is a great environment for developing players.

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    I agree. Don't really know much about Vonleh. But LaVine is definitely worth trading up. I don't think we have the assets to land a guy like LaVine though. I'm not trading JV, DD or Ross for him.
    I'm not convinced that LaVine is un-attainable if he declares. LaVine is the 4th best PG prospect behind Exum, Smart and Ennis. How many PG needy teams are there? Exum and Smart will get drafted because they are elite prospects, but Ennis and LaVine could slip as teams balance team need. BPA is all well and good, but really there are likely 15-20 guys all in the similar range, and in that case, you draft BPA at position of weakness. I wouldn't be shocked to see either be available to the Raps if they get in the 17-20 range.

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    I'm not convinced that LaVine is un-attainable if he declares. LaVine is the 4th best PG prospect behind Exum, Smart and Ennis. How many PG needy teams are there? Exum and Smart will get drafted because they are elite prospects, but Ennis and LaVine could slip as teams balance team need. BPA is all well and good, but really there are likely 15-20 guys all in the similar range, and in that case, you draft BPA at position of weakness. I wouldn't be shocked to see either be available to the Raps if they get in the 17-20 range.
    exactly, if a team doesn't want to trade a first round pick for lowry why would they draft a second tier pg in the top half of the draft?
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    I'm not convinced that LaVine is un-attainable if he declares. LaVine is the 4th best PG prospect behind Exum, Smart and Ennis. How many PG needy teams are there? Exum and Smart will get drafted because they are elite prospects, but Ennis and LaVine could slip as teams balance team need. BPA is all well and good, but really there are likely 15-20 guys all in the similar range, and in that case, you draft BPA at position of weakness. I wouldn't be shocked to see either be available to the Raps if they get in the 17-20 range.
    I hope you are right, but there are quite a few teams that are in the lottery that need PG's as well and some of those teams have multiple picks. Milwaukee, Orlando x2, and LAL all could use an upgrade. Chicago has two picks and might want a backup for Rose. Boston might want one to replace Rondo.

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    exactly, if a team doesn't want to trade a first round pick for lowry why would they draft a second tier pg in the top half of the draft?
    It's a bit different because Lowry is an expiring contract where as a draft pick is yours for at least 4 years. Hard to give up an asset like that for a rental.

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    Here is my list of teams that could use a first round pick on a PG and have a first round pick (sucker Nets and Knicks!)

    Top 5 drafters
    Bucks - BPA
    Magic - BPA
    Lakers - desperate for talent, will be picking BPA

    Pistons - likely if the right player at the right spot, but they wouldn't want to over-reach and will go BPA
    Nuggets - they have lots of issues and I think they'll go for a big, but it could happen
    Twolves - they have other issues (SF) but they could decide to go PG
    Raptors
    Grizzlies - wouldn't be shocked to see them acquire a new back-up now that they traded Bayless
    Mavs - BPA although they have Shane Larkin from last year
    Miami - PG/C are constantly needing attention
    Indiana - eventually will upgrade on George Hill if they can through the draft/development

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    exactly, if a team doesn't want to trade a first round pick for lowry why would they draft a second tier pg in the top half of the draft?
    Because Lowry is a rental, because Lowry on a re-sign will cost more than $8m as opposed to $2m for a rookie, because a team might be on the downslope and want to partially rebuild while still playing competitively - lots of reasons.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I hope you are right, but there are quite a few teams that are in the lottery that need PG's as well and some of those teams have multiple picks. Milwaukee, Orlando x2, and LAL all could use an upgrade. Chicago has two picks and might want a backup for Rose. Boston might want one to replace Rondo.
    Boston would only draft Exum or Smart at the PG position. They have too many holes in their roster to double up on PG's unless it is ELITE talent. Don't think Ennis or LaVine are in that stratosphere. Now if Boston moves Rondo (I don't think it's going to happen), then everything changes.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    It's a bit different because Lowry is an expiring contract where as a draft pick is yours for at least 4 years. Hard to give up an asset like that for a rental.
    It's a good point, but people need to realize that Lowry is a proven talent, whereas no one in the draft is. Yes you do have to wonder about being able to resign him but its just as much a gamble as drafting someone who's going to help you team, much less an all star talent.
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    Giannis Antetokuompo's little brother is said to be entering the draft this year.

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    Yeah i'd definitely use our Kings second rounder on mini Po
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    anyone heard of this Nik Stauskus kid? Heard he is pretty good!

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    Giannis Antetokuompo's little brother is said to be entering the draft this year.
    Man, I'd throw a flyer at that. Apparently Giannis is supposed to keep growing, so maybe his brother will too.

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