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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    For a big 23 is young. I've only watched MSU twice this year, so I can't tell you how good he is...What are people saying about him? Is he a 1st or 2nd rounder? Free agent?
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    AP 24 points 9/14 hit like 3 threes as well. Rebounding wasn't impressive with 4


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    I'm not crazy about Payne. It seems like when he's dominating guys, it's because he's got a good physique, but is an advantage that he won't carry to the NBA, where everyone is similarly built. To me he's more of the 'fit right in on a contending team' sort of player like Blair, but doesn't have as much upside as other guys in the same range. I'd take Harrell over Payne 10 times out of 10, as I think he's got much better upside, though Payne is the better win-now player, so I'm sure he'll get drafted as a late first and probably be a solid contributor right out of college.
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    I mentioned Payne back on Page 1. He's a senior who's improved steadily every year. He's stretched his range out (Amir like) and generally makes the Spartans machine click. They often struggle without him in the lineup.

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    ^ because Gary Harris is beyond over rated. I saw on a fast break he had two team mates in front and went in for the dunk to pad the stats. I hate that. Payne is 6 "10 so i mean he has the height, he can gain weight. His shot is a little wonky but it works and he has college 3pt range. Id be happy to take him in the 2nd. Still like aaron Craft in the second round as well.

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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    I'm not crazy about Payne. It seems like when he's dominating guys, it's because he's got a good physique, but is an advantage that he won't carry to the NBA, where everyone is similarly built. To me he's more of the 'fit right in on a contending team' sort of player like Blair, but doesn't have as much upside as other guys in the same range. I'd take Harrell over Payne 10 times out of 10, as I think he's got much better upside, though Payne is the better win-now player, so I'm sure he'll get drafted as a late first and probably be a solid contributor right out of college.
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    Quote Burnit482 wrote: View Post
    ^ because Gary Harris is beyond over rated. I saw on a fast break he had two team mates in front and went in for the dunk to pad the stats. I hate that. Payne is 6 "10 so i mean he has the height, he can gain weight. His shot is a little wonky but it works and he has college 3pt range. Id be happy to take him in the 2nd. Still like aaron Craft in the second round as well.
    His a top 20 pick


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    Jonathan Givony just retweet this. He runs Draftexpress.com

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    Yep, been thinking that for a while.

    Anyway I quite like Payne, seems rather polished offensively.

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    Payne - Good college player. Bench warmer in the NBA.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Payne - Good college player. Bench warmer in the NBA.
    That's what they said about Patrick Patterson.


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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    His a top 20 pick. ]
    Payne is likely a 1st rounder but certainly isn't guaranteed top 20. Seniors do tend to slip on draft day. At worst a team like Miami would take him so I doubt he falls out of the round.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    That's what they said about Patrick Patterson.


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    Who was a 19yo freshman.

    Nope.... My bad. He was a junior and he would have been 21.
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    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-wil...43095-nba.html

    Smart suspended 3 games and various anonymous NBA GM reactions to Smart and this incident.
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    If I was a GM and was drafting later on in the draft, I'd say something negative just to hope he falls to me (assuming I wanted to select him). The draft can be very political and I wouldn't trust anything a GM says.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    If I was a GM and was drafting later on in the draft, I'd say something negative just to hope he falls to me (assuming I wanted to select him). The draft can be very political and I wouldn't trust anything a GM says.
    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.


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    I think we should take in the fact that Tom Izzo has developed a couple NBA ready prospects in his tenure. Mo Pete, Green as some examples. It will be interesting what direction MU takes. They couple a project like Chris Walker with huge potential or a proven more ready to contribute Adreian Payne on the board. Should be interesting.


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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I think we should take in the fact that Tom Izzo has developed a couple NBA ready prospects in his tenure. Mo Pete, Green as some examples. It will be interesting what direction MU takes. They couple a project like Chris Walker with huge potential or a proven more ready to contribute Adreian Payne on the board. Should be interesting.
    Mo Pete and Draymond Green are both good examples, but neither were high picks. The school produces good players, but most players stay in school longer and drop to later in the draft.

    After Jason Richardson (5th in 2001) and Steve Smith (5th 1991), you have to go back to Magic Johnson (#1 in 1979) to find a top 10 pick. I guess it's like a once in a decade type of thing, and Gary Harris is probably next in line (although he'd still likely 8-15 range).

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Mo Pete and Draymond Green are both good examples, but neither were high picks. The school produces good players, but most players stay in school longer and drop to later in the draft.

    After Jason Richardson (5th in 2001) and Steve Smith (5th 1991), you have to go back to Magic Johnson (#1 in 1979) to find a top 10 pick. I guess it's like a once in a decade type of thing, and Gary Harris is probably next in line (although he'd still likely 8-15 range).
    I never made argument about him being a high pick. I do believe you could as high as 18 pick though


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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I never made argument about him being a high pick. I do believe you could as high as 18 pick though
    You said Top 20 pick, I took that to mean he is going in the Top 20. My point is, Payne is likely in the 18-30 range, most likely around 22-26.

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    Payne = Taj Gibson.

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