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    I find myself watching the Jayhawks and thinking that Bill Self is the wrong coach for Wiggins. Self seems to forcing Wiggins (and Selden, too) into his system as opposed to trying to take advantage of his elite talent - like Duke is doing with Jabari.

    Can't stand watching the KU offense. You have these supremely talented guys and they just toss the ball around the perimeter for the first 10-15 seconds of the possessions with very little player movement. Not sure if I even saw them run one single play for Wiggins in the first have of KU-OK game. And one thing that is underrated about Wiggins is his post game, which hasn't had any opportunity to develop under Self. It's almost a surprise that Wiggins can average 16+ PPG. I think Wiggins could be similar to the Drummond-UCONN situation, where it was just a bad fit between player, coach and system. Sometimes you get these hotshot NCAA coaches, who are successful because they can take mediocre talent and integrate them into a system that is greater than the sum. But sometimes that can backfire because that same system doesn't give the elite talent an opportunity to flourish. Similar thing happened with Vince Carter at UNC, and is a reason why he fell to the Raps in the draft.
    There are a lot of good points, I hate watching the Kansas offense as well...they are taking the "team system" to a whole new level of nobody is willing to shoot. With the NBA open court and set plays with good point guards Wiggins could easily dominate (like he does when he chooses to in college level).

    **on a side note, I don't think Parker will do well in the NBA. Right now in college he is trying his best to dominate but he just can't. This makes me scared of projecting him as an NBA star.

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    True. I will be very interested to see who his coach is in the NBA. He is a guy who will listen, and the right coach could make him epic and the wrong coach could lead him down the wrong path (bad habits).
    This both excites me and scares me...he has the talent and physique to be great...but needs to enter the league with that right coach who will handle his passive demeanor correctly so he doesn't float.

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    Not really Raptors related, but this is a great read on the state of Canadian grassroots basketball.

    http://grantland.com/features/carlet...ndrew-wiggins/
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    This is the type of late draft pick I want.

    A pass first point guard to the nth digri

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bl...ason-brickman/


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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    This is the type of late draft pick I want.

    A pass first point guard to the nth digri

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bl...ason-brickman/

    I want to like this kid more, but he just does not excite me as an NBA prospect. 5'10" 165lbs, solid shooter great passer, but he is on a 9-20 team in a weak league, if he were that good he would be willing his team to more wins.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    I want to like this kid more, but he just does not excite me as an NBA prospect. 5'10" 165lbs, solid shooter great passer, but he is on a 9-20 team in a weak league, if he were that good he would be willing his team to more wins.
    In his defense, this will be the first year since, I believe, his freshman year that he hasn't dragged a really mediocre team to the NCAA tournament.

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    Brickman, sounds like someone the Knicks would draft.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Not really Raptors related, but this is a great read on the state of Canadian grassroots basketball.

    http://grantland.com/features/carlet...ndrew-wiggins/
    Absolutely a great read.

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    If the talk is of a small point guard like Brickman, I like Keifer Sykes who plays at Green Bay.


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    More Sykes:


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    Less the small PG and more the pass first point guard that has me intrigued about Brickman. Lots more players under 6 feet dunking than there are pass first point guards nowadays.

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    There is NO ONE with hops like Sykes in the entire NCAA. That's a 44.5" vertical which would hard to match in the NBA.

    http://ballislife.com/keifer-sykes-head-at-rim/

    Sykes averages 20 ppg (47% fg%), 5 apg, and 4.4 rpg for a 24-5 team that will likely be a NCAA tournament team.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Not really Raptors related, but this is a great read on the state of Canadian grassroots basketball.

    http://grantland.com/features/carlet...ndrew-wiggins/
    There's a reason why programs like Carleton have been trying to get into the NCAA competition. They already play a few games a year against Div.1 teams I'm pretty sure. Great read, thanks for sharing.
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    There is NO ONE with hops like Sykes in the entire NCAA. That's a 44.5" vertical which would hard to match in the NBA.

    http://ballislife.com/keifer-sykes-head-at-rim/

    Sykes averages 20 ppg (47% fg%), 5 apg, and 4.4 rpg for a 24-5 team that will likely be a NCAA tournament team.
    Brickman's been to the tournament twice, and he has the 5th most assists in NCAA history. If you look at Nate he has a more muscular build, that's what helped his game translate to the NBA. Spud also was a more pass first PG than most remember...

    Brickman isn't so small that this is an issue. I don't quite see what your point is to be honest. These are 2 different players with 2 different skill sets. The reason why I would look at Brickman with a late 2nd is because pass first point guards in modern basketball are rare. He's worth a look.

    If your a fan of Sykes, fine. I don't see how his game translates, but I also see nothing wrong with being a fan of his game -- he's talented.

    For the record, how you jump has little to do with whether you have basketball IQ. I could care less. The only thing I ask is how does a game translate to the NBA.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    I find myself watching the Jayhawks and thinking that Bill Self is the wrong coach for Wiggins. Self seems to be forcing Wiggins (and Selden, too) into his system as opposed to trying to take advantage of his elite talent - like Duke is doing with Jabari.

    Can't stand watching the KU offense. You have these supremely talented guys and they just toss the ball around the perimeter for the first 10-15 seconds of the possessions with very little player movement. Not sure if I even saw them run one single play for Wiggins in the first half of KU-OK game. And one thing that is underrated about Wiggins is his post game, which hasn't had any opportunity to develop under Self. It's almost a surprise that Wiggins can average 16+ PPG. I think Wiggins could be similar to the Drummond-UCONN situation, where it was just a bad fit between player, coach and system. Sometimes you get these hotshot NCAA coaches, who are successful because they can take mediocre talent and integrate them into a system that is greater than the sum. But sometimes that can backfire because that same system doesn't give the elite talent an opportunity to flourish. Similar thing happened with Vince Carter at UNC, and is a reason why he fell to the Raps in the draft.
    Yeah

    but at the same time, that's how college sports, especially basketball go. All about the system.

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    Like, what i'm trying to say is Andy should've called me first. Kids these days.
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    just found out kyle anderson is a new york city point guard that does it for me. I keep watching his game looking for mistakes. All I can say is this kid is a baller. I try and watch the team when he is not on the floor especially when lavine has the chance to take over the offense there is no doubt the effect he has on the game. (lavine is s btw mid-late second rounder )

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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    just found out kyle anderson is a new york city point guard that does it for me. I keep watching his game looking for mistakes. All I can say is this kid is a baller. I try and watch the team when he is not on the floor especially when lavine has the chance to take over the offense there is no doubt the effect he has on the game. (lavine is s btw mid-late second rounder )
    You are determined on him. His list of questions grew significantly when he earned a team suspension.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    There's a reason why programs like Carleton have been trying to get into the NCAA competition. They already play a few games a year against Div.1 teams I'm pretty sure. Great read, thanks for sharing.
    Carleton, from what I understand has no thoughts of getting their program in the NCAA, made it pretty clear in the article.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    Carleton, from what I understand has no thoughts of getting their program in the NCAA, made it pretty clear in the article.
    Yup. It's the school that has to commit, and the NCAA requires a minimum of 12 teams from that school.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Yup. It's the school that has to commit, and the NCAA requires a minimum of 12 teams from that school.
    Which is really more of a political thing than a basketball thing. The NCAA set up regulations that require so many athletics meet a criteria, Carleton the University isn't interested in pursuing. But Carleton the basketball team would love to enter March Madness, and evidenced by their annual pre-season games with teams like Wisconsin.

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