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    Default Colangelo had spies in the dressing room?

    There is a watchful stillness to Ujiri. Unlike Colangelo, he’s listening when people talk, rather than waiting his turn.
    The major shift comes on the bench, where most of coach Dwane Casey’s assistants — many widely perceived as Colangelo’s men rather than Casey’s — have been replaced.

    “I told him when I arrived, ‘Coach, there’s no snitch here. There’s no one who’s going to come back and tell me anything. There’s only one snitch, and he’s standing here in front of you. If I have anything to say, I am going to come and say it to you myself.”
    http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptor...ise_kelly.html

    This is the first I've heard of this level of meddling coming from Colangelo. Not going to lie, it surprised me.
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    There are legendary stories of how staffers had to wrestle the phone off him on trade deadline day to stop him from making a deal, just for the sake of making one.
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    That's a pretty crazy thought to think that (possibly) Colangelo had spies amongst the assistant coaches. It sort of instills some hope in me that last years defense suffered due to BC's meddling and that we can once again return to the type of play Casey showd us the team was capable of in his first year.

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    The word "spies" paints a pretty deceitful picture, and is probably a bit hyperbolic on the part of the writer.

    Having said that, I have no doubt that any assistant that got their job from BC and was close to him would be reporting back to him. Whether he was undermining Casey by design, or if it was just a bi-product of that type of situation... the end result is the same and would be pretty damaging to a basketball club.

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    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    The word "spies" paints a pretty deceitful picture, and is probably a bit hyperbolic on the part of the writer.

    Having said that, I have no doubt that any assistant that got their job from BC and was close to him would be reporting back to him. Whether he was undermining Casey by design, or if it was just a bi-product of that type of situation... the end result is the same and would be pretty damaging to a basketball club.
    "Spies" was my choice of words, but Ujiri used "snitch".
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    thank god colangelo is gone.

    i think it all went downhill last season when Bargnani came back. I tuly believe Colangelo forced DC to play Bargnani to showcase him, trying to get a deal before the deadline.

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    That is a good article... all sorts of nuggets of information.

    Here is one for perspective:

    Ujiri was travelling between cities with a Congolese teammate and a couple of journalists. One journalist put that question to Ujiri’s teammate, “Do you feel pressure?”

    “He started laughing and he looked at me. He said, ‘I have an uncle in the Congo . . . ’ — this was during the war — ‘. . . His wife just died, probably of AIDS. He has eight children. The youngest is six months. He has no job. They all live in one room. He has no hope. He doesn’t know how he’s going to feed them tomorrow. That’s pressure.’ ”

    And what did the journalist say to that?

    Ujiri smiles ruefully: “He was very quiet.”

    You take that in, and then you realize . . . I’ve never once gone into anything in this job and felt pressure. That’s the honest truth.”

    Little has changed about the team he inherited. He off-loaded Colangelo’s Rosebud in Andrea Bargnani (‘Did you consider keeping him?’ “No,” says Ujiri).
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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    thank god colangelo is gone.

    i think it all went downhill last season when Bargnani came back. I tuly believe Colangelo forced DC to play Bargnani to showcase him, trying to get a deal before the deadline.

    In other words, doing his job..
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    In other words, doing his job..
    Here I thought both their jobs (particualrily last year) were to make the playoffs and not "show case" Bargnani for a trade.....

    Almost the entire tenure of Colangelo in Toronto was him worrying about himself more than the team.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    Here I thought both their jobs (particualrily last year) were to make the playoffs and not "show case" Bargnani for a trade.....

    Almost the entire tenure of Colangelo in Toronto was him worrying about himself more than the team.
    That's what doesn't make sense to me. If you're a team-first GM/make moves to help the team, then your own welfare takes care of itself.
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    He added a few small parts — back-up point guard Dwight Buycks, three-point shooter Steve Novak, caveman Tyler Hansbrough.
    Usually I don't like Kelly, but that made me laugh out loud.

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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    Well, they sure didn't wrestle the goddam phone off of him that time.

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    BC got info from guys he hired and reported to him, and didn't just listen to one guy. Shocking!

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    Here I thought both their jobs (particualrily last year) were to make the playoffs and not "show case" Bargnani for a trade.....

    Almost the entire tenure of Colangelo in Toronto was him worrying about himself more than the team.
    The overall goal is to build a winner..you have to trade players that aren't fitting and want to get the bet value back for them. If that sacrifices not making the playoffs one year, but making it the next two..
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    BC got info from guys he hired and reported to him, and didn't just listen to one guy. Shocking!
    You don't find it dysfunctional if the head of an organization hires or recruits people to keep tabs on a principal employee of the organization and report back on the person surreptitiously? You think that's agreeable? If a GM has concerns about his head coach he should address them directly and fix it or fire the guy. If a GM wants input from multiple sources it should be transparent and above board. Stupid political games like the one hinted at in the article are poisonous to any organization. Anyone who has ever worked in that type of environment knows how difficult it is.

    In this context, a head coach needs to have confidence and trust in his staff. He needs to be candid with them and vice versa. If he feels like his subordinates are end-running him or going over his head, there are going to be issues. It's no surprise all the assistants were fired if this was the case.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    You don't find it dysfunctional if the head of an organization hires or recruits people to keep tabs on a principal employee of the organization and report back on the person surreptitiously? You think that's agreeable? If a GM has concerns about his head coach he should address them directly and fix it or fire the guy. If a GM wants input from multiple sources it should be transparent and above board. Stupid political games like the one hinted at in the article are poisonous to any organization. Anyone who has ever worked in that type of environment knows how difficult it is.

    In this context, a head coach needs to have confidence and trust in his staff. He needs to be candid with them and vice versa. If he feels like his subordinates are end-running him or going over his head, there are going to be issues. It's no surprise all the assistants were fired if this was the case.
    bold: where is anything stated that says this is what was going on? It seems one word in a MU interview is being extrapolated in some peoples' imaginations to rant about imaginary happenings, but I'd be open to being proven wrong. What's your basis for describing what happened like this?

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptor...ise_kelly.html

    This is the first I've heard of this level of meddling coming from Colangelo. Not going to lie, it surprised me.

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    bold: where is anything stated that says this is what was going on? It seems one word in a MU interview is being extrapolated in some peoples' imaginations to rant about imaginary happenings, but I'd be open to being proven wrong. What's your basis for describing what happened like this?
    Casey, has admitted that he wasn't allowed to coach the way he wanted to last year and extrapolate what you want from the word 'snitch'. But, basically Ujiri is saying he will be talking directly to Casey, not through one of the assistant coaches.
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    Quote Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    Casey, has admitted that he wasn't allowed to coach the way he wanted to last year and extrapolate what you want from the word 'snitch'. But, basically Ujiri is saying he will be talking directly to Casey, not through one of the assistant coaches.
    I didn't extrapolate anything from the word, but it seems some are insisting their imagination is reality. As far as what you're saying Casey said, that's an entirely different subject.

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