The one thing about Fields is that even if he continues to play poorly.. there are really no expectations from him. And plus he does the little things well (defense/rebounds/good teammate) that if he still can't make a layup or a free throw it won't impact the team by much. In other words Fields != Bargnani.
Overrated - Jonas. He's going to be an excellent basketball player but I don't think the "franchise calibre" player people at times talk about.
Underrated - Amir. He's been the best player on this team for 3 years running, and he is still often talked about as a back up.
Underrated#2 - Lowry. As Slaw pointed out Lowry put up some solid numbers last year but still took a beating in the public sphere. They were rather similar (and in some cases better) than his previous two years as a starter in Houston.
Overrated - DeRozan
Underrated - Fields & MU's cast of 1-year-contract characters (ie: Hansborough, Augustin, etc...)
Biggest over/under-rated unknowns - Gay & Lowry in contract year, Jonas-hype (all 3 could be massively underrated or overrated heading into this season)
I think people were over analyzing Lowry's ballhogging. Yes, you can argue he was ballhogging early in the season, when they were doing poorly and he decided to carry the offense himself. But, Lowry's biggest problem I find is I don't see him being comfortable with his ability to distribute the ball. When Gay was brought in Lowry's offense dissappeared and he was primarily a distributer, but he only did safe passes near the 3 point line or to Demar or Gay 5-10ft away. He wasn't penetrating and dishing, so the offense stagnated, since the iso Demar/Gay was easy to defend.
Now, he needs to stop butting heads with coaches and gambling on defense with his relatively short arms.
As for the topic of this thread I don't really have an opinion beyond, the ESPN player rankings severely underrated Amir and overrated Augustin ( I think he was our highest ranked bench player and will probably only see the court in blow-outs)
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Any player who consistently shows better numbers in contract years IS A DOUCHE.
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This question leads to an interesting and encouraging point that nobody on the team is terribly overrated. When you take their salaries, Fields and Amir could be could be considered slightly overrated. I wouldn't say anybody is underrated.
Attitude Is A Choice.
This concept is so easy for me to understand, I'm not sure why it would bother other people that I say it. Your post assumes I don't understand the basic concept of motivation, yet, you don't seem to consider what key motivators should be, and that they are already in place.
You only perform in contract years, you are a douche.
Exactly. So it is pretty frustrating to see a guy like Lowry, who, last year said all this crap about being ready, working hard yadda yadda, and coming into camp clearly fat, but now coming in to camp in serious shape. So he can what? Get more money? BS, I call RESUME!!!!
I will concede that yes, the odd player has an epiphany and improves himself and that is what he will do from this moment on for the rest of his career, however, I am also a realist and know this isn't the case with most.
Toronto isn't contending for shit this year, so all of this hard work Rudy and Kyle put in is just for what??? It won't help Toronto, it will kill them. Watch how it works out.
edit** I will however consider that by upping their potential on the trade market, Toronto could maybe get something, but, not likely as why would any sane GM trade for a guy he can sign flat out in the Summer.
under - Tyler Hansbrough!
Not to go through a huge laundry list of examples, but at least in Toronto history, the star players (Bosh and Carter) made massive improvements in year two. I think we need to wait on Val 2.0, year two, before becoming to pessimistic or optimistic.
Fields on Hansbrough: "Tyler is the type of guy you hate unless he's on your team. Now I love him... He's a word I can't say"— Josh Lewenberg (@JLew1050) October 2, 2013
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All that being said Lowry was hurt for a lot of last year and was having a very tough time earning Caseys trust and his dip was certainly not all his fault. I don't think if he puts up numbers this year that it's a contract year aberration and it certainly doesn't fit your "consistently better numbers" statement. After the Rox signed him after the 09-10 season his numbers all went up across the board.
Yeah there are players who only show up in contract years and that could be construed as douchey but I don't think you could reasonably argue that any of the current squad fit that description.
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Underrated: Fields and Hansbrough
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The most overrated player right now is Terrence Ross. Everyone is blinded by his incredible athleticism. Right now, he needs to put on weight, work on his ball handling and ability to create shots. He can be a great player, and potentially replace a massive contract like demar's or rudy's, but he has some work to do.
The most underrated player is Steve Novak. This guy needs to be playing for more then half the game. The ONLY player that can open up space for two great slashers in gay and derozan. The guy is automatic, and having a player like him will be huge for the Raptors. If he can hold his own on defence(i know its a stretch) he will allow the offence to flow the only way it can, as long as Lowry passes the basketball.
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