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    Default Hey Masai! Is Boston the hold up?

    So many people (here, other forums/blogs, journalists) are guessing what the Ujiri and the Raptors plan to do. We are all pretty hardcore Raptor fans here and we often (ok not everyone but definitely myself included) tend to look at the Raptors in a vacuum.

    The reality is the Raptors are 1 of 30 teams in a league. Ujiri might want to trade Lowry/DeRozan/JV/Amir/Gay/WHOEVER yesterday but if there is no taker at market value (or better!) then it does not make much sense to make a trade just for the sake of it, now does it? Didn't think so.

    Every year we see one player or team who creates a plug in the dam and no other trade can flow through until that one is resolved. Team A wants to trade with Team B but Team B is waiting to see what happens with Team C who is also talking with Team D while Team D is waiting for Team A. Last season to a small extent Gay was that player. The year before it was the Dwightmare. Before that it was Dra-Melo.

    Who is it this year? Is it Rondo and the Boston Celtics? Marc Stein at ESPN.com seems to think so:

    They have to trade Rajon Rondo. You know it, I know it, everyone in basketball knows it. In the interim, though, hats off to Danny Ainge. By hiring Brad Stevens, he's found a way to keep the Celts riveting for the Boston die-hards while he's in the midst of all these tricky rebuilding transactions.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings...r/2014/week/-1

    Is Detroit waiting to see where Rondo goes? If so, would Gay be their second option?

    What about Milwaukee? If so, would Lowry interest them - or do you really think an owner and GM trying to get a new arena and make the playoffs each year is happy with Knight as a ? What about DeRozan when they have one of best stretch 4's (Ilyasova) in the game?

    Is Houston the dark horse?


    And while Toronto may be waiting on those teams, maybe you have Charlotte waiting on Toronto? Maybe Cleveland is waiting too? Or maybe Toronto is waiting for them? Or maybe none of these teams are waiting for another but different teams who the previously mentioned teams are waiting for are on hold due to some other team?


    Hopefully point is taken here: Rondo appears to be the 2013-14 trade blocker.

    What do you think?
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    Trades do frequently seem to happen in domino like fashion. It will be interesting to see if Stein is right.

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    trade everybody if it's what's going to help in the long run..seems like the raptors are swaying that way, but I don't think Masai and co. are rady just yet to give up on the current roster
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    No, certainly right now Rondo isn't the hold-up because he's still injured, maybe once he's healthy and playing then yes he's a major chip, but not right now. There is only one player that I can think of who is 95% likely to be traded this season and could start the domino effect and that is Gortat. Also, Portland might have to resign themselves to trading Aldridge.

    Also, i bet Ainge is trying to sell the same story to Rondo that he sold to Pierce in convincing him that the team will suck for a season, then I'll get you two All-stars to play with.

    On an unrelated note, Patrick O'Bryant got a camp invite to Charlotte and I have no idea why.
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    No, certainly right now Rondo isn't the hold-up because he's still injured, maybe once he's healthy and playing then yes he's a major chip, but not right now. There is only one player that I can think of who is 95% likely to be traded this season and could start the domino effect and that is Gortat. Also, Portland might have to resign themselves to trading Aldridge.

    Also, i bet Ainge is trying to sell the same story to Rondo that he sold to Pierce in convincing him that the team will suck for a season, then I'll get you two All-stars to play with.

    On an unrelated note, Patrick O'Bryant got a camp invite to Charlotte and I have no idea why.
    Well, because it's Charlotte. If there is one team that made a worse pick than us in the 06 draft, it's Charlotte. POB wasn't attrocious with the raps, he just was mainly a seat warmer. He played ok when he got minutes.
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    Rondo isn't a tradeblocker for Rudy. He's probably a tradeblocker for Lowry, though.

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    Rajon Rondo and Brad Stevens are best friends forever!

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    game thread for oct 7 already? lol.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    Rondo isn't a tradeblocker for Rudy. He's probably a tradeblocker for Lowry, though.
    But there's only one bag of money. A team may have room for one but not both. Sadly, the money likely matters more than the position or basketball skills.....

    There is only one player that I can think of who is 95% likely to be traded this season and could start the domino effect and that is Gortat.
    As much as I like Gortat, it's hard for me to see any team making their plans around him or a trade involving Gortat starting an arms race.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    But there's only one bag of money. A team may have room for one but not both. Sadly, the money likely matters more than the position or basketball skills.....



    As much as I like Gortat, it's hard for me to see any team making their plans around him or a trade involving Gortat starting an arms race.
    Agreed.

    The team that should be lining up for him is OKC.
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    What you just described is the worst-kept secret in the NBA, Rose goes on. Once you trade Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, the year before [you lose] Ray Allen, you lose Doc Rivers, the next obvious domino is Rajon Rondo.

    Simmons concludes by saying, Dont leave one room in the blown-up house and be like, Nah, Im going to keep the living room. You blow up the house.

    http://nesn.com/2013/10/rajon-rondo-...-says-video/2/

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    Bill Simmons is the most opinionated and bias basketball personality you could quote

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    Bill Simmons..I find it difficult to gauge whether he's actually really smart or dumb as fuck..it's like he seems to know what he's talking about,but at the same time he doesn't..
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    Simmons is 100% correct though
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Simmons is 100% correct though
    I don't know about that.
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    I'm 50/50 on whether Boston should trade Rondo. An elite PG can help develop the younger players by making their lives easier. If the young guys only have to worry about making their cuts/screens/etc and not having to worry about the quality of the pass, then they can focus more on their own game and should develop more quickly. To develop a young PG at the same time might be too much at once.

    If I were Boston, the offer would need to blow me away or the rest of the young pieces aren't developing, and you need to bring in a true stud to build around.
    F*ck Brooklyn

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Bill Simmons..I find it difficult to gauge whether he's actually really smart or dumb as fuck..it's like he seems to know what he's talking about,but at the same time he doesn't..
    I think Bill Simmons is really, really good at reading, absorbing, and regurgitating the current sports fan zeitgeist. Occasionally even anticipating it by a little bit, and thus appearing to be a little bit ahead of the curve. He's also an excellent writer with a carefully cultivated 'everyman' voice.

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Bill Simmons..I find it difficult to gauge whether he's actually really smart or dumb as fuck..it's like he seems to know what he's talking about,but at the same time he doesn't..
    Bill Simmons is a media guy who is paid to get attention. We are talking about him and his article. The answer is clear.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Bill Simmons is a media guy who is paid to get attention. We are talking about him and his article. The answer is clear.
    I don't think the answer is that simple.
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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Bill Simmons is a media guy who is paid to get attention. We are talking about him and his article. The answer is clear.
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    I don't think the answer is that simple.
    Agreed. Anybody who's read his Book of Basketball knows how extensive his base of knowledge is, but he has so much on his plate that he doesn't waste time on bottom-dwellers unless they're the Celtics.

    Simmons put these videos out on his own website/network, so he doesn't owe anybody an explanation for his opinions. Sure, it's a small branch of ESPN, but:
    a) he's still pretty independent, and much of what he does is based of pop culture as much as sports
    b) even when he's an analyst, he's on ESPN so he'll only ever cover nationally televised games, which means (almost certainly) contenders. He won't pretend to know a bunch about the Raptors until they matter.

    The worst part is that he could end up being 100% correct in his assessment and we could honestly win like 7 of our first 20 games, at which point we blow it up. My only hope is that if we DO trade Rudy and Lowry it's early enough in the season that we could compete with Philly for that top (see: bottom) spot.
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