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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    The first part is right. You just have to make the best of it. Once you accept the overpriced deal, you can live with the idea that anything you get from him is icing on the cake. If he returns to top form then all the better. It's not like this team is one piece away from contending and Fields is the issue. Derozan and Gay are going to play most of the wing minutes I imagine, Ross will get a chance and I suspect Fields will get his minutes. If Ross hasn't improved, you run Fields out there more and he can still help you, even if he isn't at his best.
    Yup.. that's exactly what it is for me. The unfortunate contract is no one's fault; at least no one currently employed by the Raptors so you have to just get over it. Beyond that, he can fill in minutes from either 2/3. He might not be great, but there are flaws with every other guy who take backup minutes in those positions.

    I think the key with Fields is you really have to temper your expectations. Don't think of him as a $6M man, or you will be sorely disappointed.
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    Not sure how anyone could feel they had to take Ross with the 8th pick. He was projected late lottery. Davis was projected top 10 and fell to 13.
    I had him on my short list of guys I wanted but even I would freely admit he was a guy that you might acquire a later pick to take. 8th was just too high.. too raw of a player to be taken that early.

    I chalk the Ross pick to another "fell in love with" type of pick that Colangelo was known for. For all the holes we had in our roster, he wanted a shooter. And he's not a good shooter.

    But similar to the Fields situation, ignore that he was taken too early (or paid too much in Fields' case) and just hope we get something out of it.
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    I think it is way too early for people to be giving up on Terrence Ross. It's not like he had a Austin Rivers (who some people wanted to draft) type season.

    He shot 34.4% from 3PT, which is a promising start. His 109 DRtg is the same rookie score as Aldridge, Ewing, Jared Dudley, many others, so it's not like he was the worst.

    He's got great size and athleticism for his position. I think he's going to be a good player, maybe even as early as this season.

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    I think it is way too early for people to be giving up on Terrence Ross. It's not like he had a Austin Rivers (who some people wanted to draft) type season.

    He shot 34.4% from 3PT, which is a promising start. His 109 DRtg is the same rookie score as Aldridge, Ewing, Jared Dudley, many others, so it's not like he was the worst.

    He's got great size and athleticism for his position. I think he's going to be a good player, maybe even as early as this season.
    The problem with Ross is that he had a pretty horrible summer league.. and that's an issue considering he had all summer to improve parts of his game. I hope he turns it around but I don't think he has the right coach for his development (Casey prefers playing vets and there are lots of wings to choose from).

    I liked the Ross pick, and if he ever grows into his potential I think he could become more lethal than DeRozan. Hopefully summer league was just an aberration.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    The problem with Ross is that he had a pretty horrible summer league.. and that's an issue considering he had all summer to improve parts of his game. I hope he turns it around but I don't think he has the right coach for his development (Casey prefers playing vets and there are lots of wings to choose from).

    I liked the Ross pick, and if he ever grows into his potential I think he could become more lethal than DeRozan. Hopefully summer league was just an aberration.
    Jonas seems to be developing quite nicely despite having the same coach, though. At some point, a player's natural talent will shine through with or without a coaching staff holding his hand along the way.
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    Jonas seems to be developing quite nicely despite having the same coach, though. At some point, a player's natural talent will shine through with or without a coaching staff holding his hand along the way.
    I don't know a thing about Ross's off-season or pre-season training, but it seems pretty clear that JV works his ass off. Of course, he wasn't coming into the league as a rookie. He had been playing professionally for several years already. But it is hard to imagine that Ross doesn't talk to the other guys and hasn't heard about their off-season routines. And he had Anderson and Lucas right under his nose, so he must understand that there are no guarantees in the NBA. You can be in it for a few years and then out of it if you don't put in the work. Or maybe he thinks somebody with his talent can just cruise their way to success.

    I don't get a good feeling from him. I don't believe he understands what he needs to do to succeed. Either that or he is simply unwilling to work that hard.

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    Keeping an eye out for Landry's shot tonight. Not getting my hopes up, especially after seeing this: http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...r-this-season/

    I know it's a video about Val, but at around 00:15, there's a great close-up of Fields taking 3 uncontested jumpshots in a row. And there is a MASSIVE hitch in his shot.

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    Keeping an eye out for Landry's shot tonight. Not getting my hopes up, especially after seeing this: http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...r-this-season/

    I know it's a video about Val, but at around 00:15, there's a great close-up of Fields taking 3 uncontested jumpshots in a row. And there is a MASSIVE hitch in his shot.
    That was just ugly, bad hitch, bad guide hand.....I can't even watch it a second time

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    I think I'm watching the same thing but where is the hitch? I thought the issue last year was a hitch he had with his wrist. In this video, his wrist is totally out of the camera shot when the releases. I see him jump but I don't think that's the same thing
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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    I think I'm watching the same thing but where is the hitch? I thought the issue last year was a hitch he had with his wrist. In this video, his wrist is totally out of the camera shot when the releases. I seem him jump but I don't think that's the same thing
    watch the hesitation in the shot, it is not fluid or one motion.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    watch the hesitation in the shot, it is not fluid or one motion.
    +1. Not to mention the release point is really inconsistent. He's kind of just shoveling it.

    Remember basketball camp, the whole reach into the cookie jar crap? And the palm to ceiling crap? He's missing pretty much all of it.

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    +1. Not to mention the release point is really inconsistent. He's kind of just shoveling it.

    Remember basketball camp, the whole reach into the cookie jar crap? And the palm to ceiling crap? He's missing pretty much all of it.
    True.

    He also might not be physically able to do it right now.
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    Oh boy that shot is ugly. That just doest not seem right to me.

    I have never had to rehab an injury on my shooting arm, but is having that bad of a form normal in the process of reconstructing a jumpshot? I mean, if they really had to rebuild his shot from the ground up, shouldn't they really focus on the fundamentals of a good shot rather than whatever works (which is what it looks like they are doing, to me at least)? It definitely is not a good sign for him to be having that inconsistent of a release.

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    Quote Red and White wrote: View Post
    Oh boy that shot is ugly. That just doest not seem right to me.

    I have never had to rehab an injury on my shooting arm, but is having that bad of a form normal in the process of reconstructing a jumpshot? I mean, if they really had to rebuild his shot from the ground up, shouldn't they really focus on the fundamentals of a good shot rather than whatever works (which is what it looks like they are doing, to me at least)? It definitely is not a good sign for him to be having that inconsistent of a release.
    Nerve damage is all I can say.

    When you look at his shot prior to injury, there were none of these issues.

    It seems like he might be f'ed permanently - which is such a tragedy for his career and me as a Raptor fan.
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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    I think I'm watching the same thing but where is the hitch? I thought the issue last year was a hitch he had with his wrist. In this video, his wrist is totally out of the camera shot when the releases. I see him jump but I don't think that's the same thing
    Oh lord. Looks like a ten-year-old girl shooting a basketball. It can only get better from here I suppose.


    edit: whoops, wanted to quote the video. sorry Jclaw haha.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Nerve damage is all I can say.

    When you look at his shot prior to injury, there were none of these issues.

    It seems like he might be f'ed permanently - which is such a tragedy for his career and me as a Raptor fan.
    Agreed and agreed. Really is sad.

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    oh no, I hope things get better. That was 10 year old girl with no form bad. He would be better off using a woman's shot where you include the guide hand in the shot to add power to it. There's no way he can consistently duplicate that form.

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    “The elbow is coming along. It has been a process to say the least,” Fields said. “I learned a lot. Last year was a very humbling year for me. Overall healthy, it is coming along. The strength is back, so now it is just the control aspect and that will come along as well the doctors say. Within the last few weeks, it has really taken a turn for the good. The confidence is building with the strength and control that is coming back."

    “There are still a few things that I’m working through, but nothing as major as a twitch anymore so it’s just trying to get back strength and control. Sometimes it feels great and sometimes it feels off, so now it is just getting that consistency.”

    “I had my ups and downs, some days were much better than other days that were real low,” Fields said. “I thought about even switching to my left hand and shooting left-handed. I did about a week-and-a-half of that this summer just to see if I could be somewhat decent by the time the season rolled around, but – stick with my right. Some days it was worse than before the surgery and that was really playing with me a lot, but talking with the doctors, that was just part of the process.”

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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    Oh lord. Looks like a ten-year-old girl shooting a basketball. It can only get better from here I suppose.


    edit: whoops, wanted to quote the video. sorry Jclaw haha.
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    Ouch..

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