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  • #31
    The fact that we're closing in on a full calendar year from Fields' elbow problem being diagnosed and it's apparently still not fixed is a huge red flag for me considering that you'd assume he's been working with top end medical professionals and receiving some of the best treatment available during that time. I think he'll make a small impact this year in a few games with his defense and energy, but I think his jumper is gone for good. I predict this will be his last NBA contract.

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    • #32
      Fully wrote: View Post
      The fact that we're closing in on a full calendar year from Fields' elbow problem being diagnosed and it's apparently still not fixed is a huge red flag
      It shouldn't be a huge red flag. Nerves take a REALLY LONG time to heal. Ask anyone on here if they have sustained nerve damage, how long that can take to heal....the answer is years if it even heals at all.
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      • #33
        thead wrote: View Post
        It shouldn't be a huge red flag. Nerves take a REALLY LONG time to heal. Ask anyone on here if they have sustained nerve damage, how long that can take to heal....the answer is years if it even heals at all.
        Yeah you're right. I guess it isn't a red flag after all.














        Wait, what?

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        • #34
          thead wrote: View Post
          It shouldn't be a huge red flag. Nerves take a REALLY LONG time to heal. Ask anyone on here if they have sustained nerve damage, how long that can take to heal....the answer is years if it even heals at all.
          Fully wrote: View Post
          Yeah you're right. I guess it isn't a red flag after all.

          Wait, what?
          It shouldn't be a surprise, but it is a "red flag" (as in, cause for concern that a $5million player may not be able to contribute).

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          • #35
            Fully wrote: View Post
            The fact that we're closing in on a full calendar year from Fields' elbow problem being diagnosed and it's apparently still not fixed is a huge red flag for me considering that you'd assume he's been working with top end medical professionals and receiving some of the best treatment available during that time. I think he'll make a small impact this year in a few games with his defense and energy, but I think his jumper is gone for good. I predict this will be his last NBA contract.
            I had what I thought was tennis elbow from too much serving a year ago, and when I went to physio her first diagnosis was that my nerve was 'catching' at the elbow and that was the cause of the pain. Needless to say she didn't seem at all optimistic about my chances for a full recovery, even with surgery. One of those 'it's possible, but very far from guaranteed'.

            Turns out it was an issue with my UCL, which a healthy does of R.I.C.E fixed. Point is, nerve issues (especially in a joint as finicky as the elbow) are kind of worst case scenarios. Worse even than UCL tears/strains.

            I agree that Landry will likely never get his shot back, and that will likely mean he doesn't get another contract.

            Unless Colangelo finds another job between now and the end of next year...

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            • #36
              Even with no shot.. there are far worse players in the league than Fields that have a job. If Fields does not return to norm, I would still imagine that he will get another contract. He's a nice guy with a big IQ and does the little things that some coach's drool over. He's not worth $6M but he should get at least a $1-$2M a year in his next contract.

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              • #37
                planetmars wrote: View Post
                Even with no shot.. there are far worse players in the league than Fields that have a job. If Fields does not return to norm, I would still imagine that he will get another contract. He's a nice guy with a big IQ and does the little things that some coach's drool over. He's not worth $6M but he should get at least a $1-$2M a year in his next contract.
                If Josh Childress got as many opportunities as he did and still continues to get, Fields will have more opportunities as well.

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                • #38
                  Nilanka wrote: View Post
                  Speaking of Ross, we haven't heard a damn thing about him. He seems to be the forgotten man (already).
                  I wrote before that the Ross situation reminds me a little of Ed Davis. It never really sounded like they were entirely sold on the pick; felt like they had to make it; and then they had no real plan for what to do with the guy once he was in Toronto.

                  Maybe the new regime can get him on track....

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                  • #39
                    slaw wrote: View Post
                    I wrote before that the Ross situation reminds me a little of Ed Davis. It never really sounded like they were entirely sold on the pick; felt like they had to make it; and then they had no real plan for what to do with the guy once he was in Toronto.

                    Maybe the new regime can get him on track....
                    Not sure how anyone could feel they had to take Ross with the 8th pick. He was projected late lottery. Davis was projected top 10 and fell to 13.

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                    • #40
                      Fully wrote: View Post
                      Yeah you're right. I guess it isn't a red flag after all.














                      Wait, what?

                      the suggestion was that with all the advanced doctors in the world his recovery was taking too long and that should be a red flag.

                      I said, his recovery is on par with nerve damage recovery times and that his effort or the knowledge and effort of his doctors should not be a red flag, or the least bit surprising to anyone.

                      That being said it sucks we are paying escort rates for a corner girl.
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                      • #41
                        slaw wrote: View Post
                        The first part is right. You just have to make the best of it. Once you accept the overpriced deal, you can live with the idea that anything you get from him is icing on the cake. If he returns to top form then all the better. It's not like this team is one piece away from contending and Fields is the issue. Derozan and Gay are going to play most of the wing minutes I imagine, Ross will get a chance and I suspect Fields will get his minutes. If Ross hasn't improved, you run Fields out there more and he can still help you, even if he isn't at his best.
                        Yup.. that's exactly what it is for me. The unfortunate contract is no one's fault; at least no one currently employed by the Raptors so you have to just get over it. Beyond that, he can fill in minutes from either 2/3. He might not be great, but there are flaws with every other guy who take backup minutes in those positions.

                        I think the key with Fields is you really have to temper your expectations. Don't think of him as a $6M man, or you will be sorely disappointed.
                        your pal,
                        ebrian

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                        • #42
                          themasao wrote: View Post
                          Not sure how anyone could feel they had to take Ross with the 8th pick. He was projected late lottery. Davis was projected top 10 and fell to 13.
                          I had him on my short list of guys I wanted but even I would freely admit he was a guy that you might acquire a later pick to take. 8th was just too high.. too raw of a player to be taken that early.

                          I chalk the Ross pick to another "fell in love with" type of pick that Colangelo was known for. For all the holes we had in our roster, he wanted a shooter. And he's not a good shooter.

                          But similar to the Fields situation, ignore that he was taken too early (or paid too much in Fields' case) and just hope we get something out of it.
                          your pal,
                          ebrian

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                          • #43
                            I think it is way too early for people to be giving up on Terrence Ross. It's not like he had a Austin Rivers (who some people wanted to draft) type season.

                            He shot 34.4% from 3PT, which is a promising start. His 109 DRtg is the same rookie score as Aldridge, Ewing, Jared Dudley, many others, so it's not like he was the worst.

                            He's got great size and athleticism for his position. I think he's going to be a good player, maybe even as early as this season.
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                            • #44
                              Axel wrote: View Post
                              I think it is way too early for people to be giving up on Terrence Ross. It's not like he had a Austin Rivers (who some people wanted to draft) type season.

                              He shot 34.4% from 3PT, which is a promising start. His 109 DRtg is the same rookie score as Aldridge, Ewing, Jared Dudley, many others, so it's not like he was the worst.

                              He's got great size and athleticism for his position. I think he's going to be a good player, maybe even as early as this season.
                              The problem with Ross is that he had a pretty horrible summer league.. and that's an issue considering he had all summer to improve parts of his game. I hope he turns it around but I don't think he has the right coach for his development (Casey prefers playing vets and there are lots of wings to choose from).

                              I liked the Ross pick, and if he ever grows into his potential I think he could become more lethal than DeRozan. Hopefully summer league was just an aberration.

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                              • #45
                                planetmars wrote: View Post
                                The problem with Ross is that he had a pretty horrible summer league.. and that's an issue considering he had all summer to improve parts of his game. I hope he turns it around but I don't think he has the right coach for his development (Casey prefers playing vets and there are lots of wings to choose from).

                                I liked the Ross pick, and if he ever grows into his potential I think he could become more lethal than DeRozan. Hopefully summer league was just an aberration.
                                Jonas seems to be developing quite nicely despite having the same coach, though. At some point, a player's natural talent will shine through with or without a coaching staff holding his hand along the way.

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