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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Do you think Casey is getting a fair shot or is Ujiri just letting the situation and contract run its course?
    I'm answering with a question of my own, "is Casey a championship calibre HEAD coach"? I only ask because of T.L.'s quote of being here for championships. I've always thought of Casey as a transitional coach, but not a championship calibre head coach.

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    Fair shot. This isn't Ujiri's coach, but it wouldn't be fair per say to fire him because you don't know what he's about. I'm guessing if team isn't doing too well come trade deadline, along with certain players, I could certainly see a new coach on the sideline.

    Anyways, I like how Casey is approaching this season - defense first. So, I would personally like to see how that handles, I mean, the team obviously follows his steps. Year 1, he brought defense, and Toronto was a tough minded team that DID play defense with poor defenders like Calderon and Bargnani (yikes). Year 2, Casey said offense first, assuming defense follows (usually doesn't happen if you 'think' it'll just stay the same with 9 new faces) and the team improved offensively from the previous season. This team statistically speaking follows what Casey preaches, which is a good thing to know.

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    How is it not a fair Shot ? Finish your third year on the contract, get results, otherwise get fired. We'll blame last year on the GM, this year you'll have no excuse. It doesn't get more fair then that. i mean it is his 3rd year, are we suppose to wait for year 7 like.........

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    I don't necessarily agree with the decision but it's quite clear he's being given a fair shot. The fact that he was retained when Ujiri could have simply fired him without being answerable to anybody(BC's hire) proves he's getting a fair chance. Besides why would anyone waste precious time by letting his(Casey) contract run it's course.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    I don't necessarily agree with the decision but it's quite clear he's being given a fair shot. The fact that he was retained when Ujiri could have simply fired him without being answerable to anybody(BC's hire) proves he's getting a fair chance. Besides why would anyone waste precious time by letting his(Casey) contract run it's course.
    I think MU knows he has the time to be patient and make informed decisions. Most GMs don't have a huge amount of goodwill built up before they play a game, but with how hard MLSE went after him, MU knows that he has more leeway to play with.

    Letting Casey coach the season allows MU to evaluate the entire team (roster and staff) in a no pressure situation. This is still largely BC's roster, so if they lose, it's BC's fault. Plus MLSE doesn't have to pay 2 coaches this way.

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    My internet is wonky and I can't multi-quote...

    But on page one someone referenced BC and SMitch and how SMitch over achieved and BC kept him even though he wasn't the guy he wanted.

    I don't think that is a possibility this for the main reason that the Eastern Conference is the strongest and most competitive it's been in awhile. Before D Rose injury the Bulls had the best regular season in the NBA in two consecutive seasons. Now they are arguably fourth in the depth chart with essentially the same team (Heat, Pacers, Nets, Bulls), you got teams that have been shitty sending the message that they are trying to compete now (Wiz, Cavs, Bucks)

    For Toronto to finish 6th or higher would be quite a feat and if Casey can do that he probably deserves to stay on has Head Coach regardless of personal changes.

    With this Talent level not making the playoffs would probably signal to me that Casey doesn't have that much of an impact.


    Second point, someone also said that they don't see Casey as a championship calibre coach. The thing is though, almost all coaches aren't seen as championship coaches, until suddenly they are. I would say Frank Vogel, Doc Rivers, and Spolstra (If you see him a as a championship calibre coach) fit into that category.

    I think Casey has the ability to put to together a championship calibre defense, which is arguably half the battle. That said, I have no problem with MLSE trying to bring in a sloan/phil jackson/Van Gundy level coach once the raps have a season where they get out of the first round.
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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    With this Talent level not making the playoffs would probably signal to me that Casey doesn't have that much of an impact.
    I agree with this point. On paper, there's plenty of talent to finish 6-8 in the East. It's up to Casey to make it work.

    Perhaps Ujiri agrees, and it partially explains why very little was done to revamp the roster this offseason. It's a "wait-and-see" approach with a dash of "this team should compete for the playoffs"
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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I'm answering with a question of my own, "is Casey a championship calibre HEAD coach"? I only ask because of T.L.'s quote of being here for championships. I've always thought of Casey as a transitional coach, but not a championship calibre head coach.
    He won a championship as an assistant with Dallas. His defensive schemes have been the only ones to stop the Heat in the past three playoffs. He has the defensive tools ...he needs assistance on offensive schemes.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I agree with this point. On paper, there's plenty of talent to finish 6-8 in the East. It's up to Casey to make it work.

    Perhaps Ujiri agrees, and it partially explains why very little was done to revamp the roster this offseason. It's a "wait-and-see" approach with a dash of "this team should compete for the playoffs"

    First two months will determine his fate. If start 4-19 or similar he will be gone.

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    Bayno + Nick Nurse sound like a good offensive combo w/ Casey as the overlord

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Letting Casey coach the season allows MU to evaluate the entire team (roster and staff) in a no pressure situation. This is still largely BC's roster, so if they lose, it's BC's fault. Plus MLSE doesn't have to pay 2 coaches this way.
    I disagree that because it is BC's roster, it is BC's fault if Casey and the team fails. MU's time started the time he was hired. He didn't have to go with the Coach and roster he inherited. There are a number of things he could have done to alter the roster. I'm not being argumentative and if it seems like I am, sorry.

    Yes there's no pressure to succeed immediately but all signs point to the fact that Casey is being given a fair chance.
    Last edited by Eric Akshinthala; Tue Oct 8th, 2013 at 09:33 PM.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    I disagree that because it is BC's roster, it is BC's fault if Casey and the team fails. MU's time started the time he was hired. He didn't have to go with the Coach and roster he inherited. There are a number of things he could have done to alter the roster. I'm not being argumentative and if it seems like I am, sorry.

    Yes there's no pressure to succeed immediately but all signs point to the fact that Casey is being given a fair chance.
    MU could have made moves, and he made some minor ones, but the fact is the core group of players for this team, Lowry, Gay, Demar, Amir, JV, Fields, Ross are all BC's guys. If the Gay/Derozan combo doesn't work (as many have predicted), then that is still on BC. MU doesn't have to make a move just to change, he has to wait for the right move. If that means being patient, I think he has enough goodwill built up already that people wont blame him for it not working and taking a while to make a change.

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