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    Default ESPN says Chris Bosh is better than Kobe Bryant

    Source: ESPN.com

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    I saw this coming as soon as I saw Kobe at 25...

    There's not a chance there are 24 players that I'd rather have over Kobe.
    Give me Kobe over D-Wade even.
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    Well, it's a prediction for this season. I predict that Kobe won't even be top 50 overall player this year. I think he'll miss a good portion of the year, which IMO is important for any such rankings, since you can't help win games if you don't play. And when he does play, I predict he'll be more like DeMar DeRozan than last year's Kobe Bryant.

    We'll see just how good the medical science can be today.
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    I'm not big Kobe fan, but broken Mamba is still better than this giraffe.

    He'll put 40 in his 1st game back.

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    MJ went for 28PPG at age 34, 23PPG at age 38. Not to compare these two but there is a guy who played in the past, in a rougher NBA, who stayed healthy, who posted big time numbers and played in a similar style to Kobe Bryant. Michael Jordan may be the best ever but he did not have supernatural powers. If somebody has done it before, somebody can do it in the future.

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    I think an old Jordan could end up a great analogy. Someone who's still showing flashes of what has been, scores a bunch of points, might get a bunch of AS votes based on reputation, but also someone who's inefficient, plays no defense, and whose team competes for the no.1 pick.

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    Kobe won't allow being #25 at anything.
    Black Mamba will be out for blood this season.
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    I think ESPN just wants some page views. Not reading that article because its a joke!

    Kobe is still a top 5 player in this game IMO.
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    Kobe is the freaking rockstar in China.

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    Some pretty powerful words from Mr. Bryant:

    "Maybe I won't have as much explosion," Bryant told the magazine. "Maybe I'll be slower, maybe I'll lose quickness. But I have other options.

    "It's like Floyd Mayweather in the ring. There's a reason he's still at the top after all these years. He's the most fundamentally sound boxer of all time. He can fight myriad styles at myriad tempos. He can throw fast punches or off-speed punches, and he can throw them from odd angles."

    "I have self-doubt," he said. "I have insecurity. I have fear of failure. I have nights when I show up at the arena and I'm like, 'My back hurts, my feet hurt, my knees hurt. I don't have it. I just want to chill.'

    "We all have self-doubt. You don't deny it, but you also don't capitulate to it. You embrace it. You rise above it."
    I like the comparison to Mayweather though. Knock-em out Kobe!!
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    Some pretty powerful words from Mr. Bryant:

    "Maybe I won't have as much explosion," Bryant told the magazine. "Maybe I'll be slower, maybe I'll lose quickness. But I have other options.

    "It's like Floyd Mayweather in the ring. There's a reason he's still at the top after all these years. He's the most fundamentally sound boxer of all time. He can fight myriad styles at myriad tempos. He can throw fast punches or off-speed punches, and he can throw them from odd angles."

    "I have self-doubt," he said. "I have insecurity. I have fear of failure. I have nights when I show up at the arena and I'm like, 'My back hurts, my feet hurt, my knees hurt. I don't have it. I just want to chill.'

    "We all have self-doubt. You don't deny it, but you also don't capitulate to it. You embrace it. You rise above it."
    I like the comparison to Mayweather though. Knock-em out Kobe!!
    "That was Nasty right? Cocked that Joint back and banged on 'em." -James Johnson

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    Bosh is better than Kobe.



    ....that is until Kobe comes back.

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    Kobe will probably only play about 50 games if that. If I was starting a team I would rather have Bosh and his 75+ games than Kobe and his 50. Most 'judges' are ranking based on how good they are right now.. Ranking Kobe at 25 while rehabbing a torn achilles is actually pretty high.

    Now ranking Nowitzki at 26 was harsh.. he's going to be fantastic this year. I'd rather have him than Bosh even though he's 35 years old and coming off an injury.

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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    I think an old Jordan could end up a great analogy. Someone who's still showing flashes of what has been, scores a bunch of points, might get a bunch of AS votes based on reputation, but also someone who's inefficient, plays no defense, and whose team competes for the no.1 pick.
    Now that's not fair. Jordan came out of retirement to help his investment at the time. It was a horrible team. You put LeBron on that team and he would have struggled to get those guys going. Kwame Brown was the center piece for crying out loud. Jordan made him cry, literally.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Now that's not fair. Jordan came out of retirement to help his investment at the time. It was a horrible team. You put LeBron on that team and he would have struggled to get those guys going. Kwame Brown was the center piece for crying out loud. Jordan made him cry, literally.
    Kwame wasn't the centerpiece, he was a backup.

    Not sure what's unfair tbh, Wizards' Jordan wasn't very good. Wizards weren't bad purely because of Jordan and the Lakers won't be bad purely because of Kobe, they just don't have a good team around Kobe.

    Whether Kobe will be similar to that Jordan or not, we'll see. We can only guess right now. Who knows, maybe Kobe is among the huge Achilles success stories. I'd bet not, and I expect Bosh to be a better overall player than Kobe this year. I think there's a lot of Kobe mysticism going on; Bird has that aura too, and Achilles still screwed him up. Achilles injuries tend to push a player down a tier. But, there have been a few very positive examples, so who knows.

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    I think the ranking of Bean is actually an interesting subject, injury or not.
    Let's operate under the assumption that he comes back at the same level (which I find somewhat unlikely, though I think he will find a way to be similarly effective by altering his game), and that your aim is to choose a player as your franchise's center-piece for only one year, with no future considerations.
    Is he top 10?

    I find the case of Kobe compelling because it forces a person to consider all the intangibles of basketball.
    Should a top 10 player, in this context, struggle so much to get their team into the playoffs?
    The same question applies to every other player, of course.
    I wonder how often individual stats and personal performance overshadow the inability to make a team better.

    I happen to really like Kobe Bryant, but he would certainly not be in my top 5, and probably not my top 10.

    If I'm a GM on "re-draft of the entire NBA for one season" night, about to spend millions, with a city on my shoulders, I think I would decide that he is not the player I want anchoring my team.

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