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    You forgot about Ross.
    Nope, the NBA is a talent league not a skill league.

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    Most frustrating part of last night's game wasn't the comical missed dunk, or Austin Daye playing post D like a boy among men....

    For me it was the fact that although the majority of his minutes were with teh 2nd unit, JOnas only had 2 FGAs...wtf is up with that? He was looked off so often by the guys on the perimeter that it's criminal. It was the first game I watched Jonas where his frustration became visible in his body language. You could see how pissed he was getting eventually when he'd have post position and never get the pass. I never want to see a display like that again.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Nope, the NBA is a talent league not a skill league.
    Hate him or not, Ross is the 6th man of this team.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Hate him or not, Ross is the 6th man of this team.
    I'd say it's more like Ross should be the 6th man. And that's kind of a sign of how fragile the Raps season projects to be. In general, I might have to consider Hansbrough the default 6th man, because he'll probably be the most dependable bench player.

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    K he's never going to do that. He loves to play his bench even though they suck so he will most likely go with a 9 man rotation, sometimes more.
    Initially, they'll open the bench up the first 10 games or so and play 11, 12 guys. Most teams do that.

    I suspect your are right that they'll fall into a 9-man rotation. Personally, what I'd prefer to see is Hansbrough and Fields (if he's healthy), Augustin in limited minutes and Ross but only if he's on. I guess it will largely depend on cirucmstance. If they're 4-19, no need to have Ross riding the bench.

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    Initially, they'll open the bench up the first 10 games or so and play 11, 12 guys. Most teams do that.

    I suspect your are right that they'll fall into a 9-man rotation. Personally, what I'd prefer to see is Hansbrough and Fields (if he's healthy), Augustin in limited minutes and Ross but only if he's on. I guess it will largely depend on cirucmstance. If they're 4-19, no need to have Ross riding the bench.
    I expect a primary 9-man rotation, with Hansborough, Fields, Ross & Augustin (at least to start) being the main 2nd unit. Gray (big body), Novak/Daye (3pt specialist) and possibly Buycks/Stone (perimeter defense specialist) will likely see only situational duty. Acy and the losers of the Novak/Daye and Buycks/Stone battles will be hard-pressed to find playing time.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Hate him or not, Ross is the 6th man of this team.
    Why would I hate a grown man that I don't know? Ross is not good enough. THAT is the problem. Again talent>skill. Ross has all the skills in the world, he is yet to put them together in a consistent way that resembles talent. If the goal is to win Ross better be spending some time in the D League and not the court.

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    I'd say it's more like Ross should be the 6th man. And that's kind of a sign of how fragile the Raps season projects to be. In general, I might have to consider Hansbrough the default 6th man, because he'll probably be the most dependable bench player.
    Exactly, right now it looks like if D Casey wants to keep his job 6th man is T, then Fields, then one of Buycks or DJ. These are professionals. The goal is to win. This isn't pickup ball with outclassed kids.

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    Most frustrating part of last night's game wasn't the comical missed dunk, or Austin Daye playing post D like a boy among men....

    For me it was the fact that although the majority of his minutes were with teh 2nd unit, JOnas only had 2 FGAs...wtf is up with that? He was looked off so often by the guys on the perimeter that it's criminal. It was the first game I watched Jonas where his frustration became visible in his body language. You could see how pissed he was getting eventually when he'd have post position and never get the pass. I never want to see a display like that again.
    Unfortunately, I think part of the problem is that Casey just doesn't care enough bout Jonas' game to make a point to the team about feeding him the ball. So especially when guys are competing for spots, if the coach hasn't expressly emphasized feeding Jonas when he has position, they're gonna look him off and get theirs instead.

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    lool the first words that came outta ross' mouth during the post game interview
    "i was all about the defense just tryin to go out there and make an impression on defense"
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    If I recall correctly, most of last year was spent with a 10-11 man rotation (with Quincy/Pietrus sitting), but that's what happens when the team is out of contention for most of the year. If we're >.500 within the first 15-20 games, I think we'll be seeing the same thing. If they are in contention, then expect to see a 9-man rotation form effectively.
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    Hansborough is the 6th. Fields for 7th. Ross & Buycks tied for 8th.

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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    Hansborough is the 6th. Fields for 7th. Ross & Buycks tied for 8th.
    Sorry, I don't see how Ross is in the top 8. He went from seesaw season to bad Summer league to mediocre pre-season. He's been outworked by Acy. Heck sans bad dunk Stone was giving more than Ross to the game with his D and play making. I just don't see it.

    To me the bench is Psycho T, then Fields, then Buycks --Augustine pretty close, and last rotation player being the new 3 point specialist.

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    Lol. Come on people. I know you're all down with Ross and i get it. But saying he shouldn't be in the rotation is crazy.

    Ross is the 6th man on this team, hate him or not. He's going to be this year's Alan Anderson. And i bet that's how Casey would use him.

    I think the Raps are going to have a 9-10 man rotation:

    Ross - 6th man
    Hansbrough - Energy big
    Augustine - Backup PG
    Fields - Energy guy/defensive specialist
    Novak - 3pt specialist
    Stone - Backup PG/Defensive specialist
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Lol. Come on people. I know you're all down with Ross and i get it. But saying he shouldn't be in the rotation is crazy.

    Ross is the 6th man on this team, hate him or not. He's going to be this year's Alan Anderson. And i bet that's how Casey would use him.

    I think the Raps are going to have a 9-10 man rotation:

    Ross - 6th man
    Hansbrough - Energy big
    Augustine - Backup PG
    Fields - Energy guy/defensive specialist
    Novak - 3pt specialist
    Stone - Backup PG/Defensive specialist
    What are you talking about? No one hates Ross -- we all hope he improves. But the man isn't good enough. He doesn't put it together. If the goal is to lose then maybe he's the 6th man. Fields can defend players 1-4, probably the smartest bball player on this team. Psycho T puts in work. Both Buycks and Augustine can play spot minutes at the 2 and don't take plays off. Novak scores 3s well above league wide percentages...What does Ross do better than any of those important roles? Dunk?

    Enough Already! Look at the quality of him playing basketball and stop judging players on how they look jumping up and down. When Ross earns the 6th spot I'll be the first to acknowledge it, but he hasn't. All your proclamations that he has are silly. The man needs to put in work, stop taking plays off, be more active on defense and seek the ball rather than wait for it. He needs to take a more active responsibility of the second team vocally and physically. He's no longer a rook, it will be his choice whether he grows or is traded.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Sorry, I don't see how Ross is in the top 8. He went from seesaw season to bad Summer league to mediocre pre-season. He's been outworked by Acy. Heck sans bad dunk Stone was giving more than Ross to the game with his D and play making. I just don't see it.

    To me the bench is Psycho T, then Fields, then Buycks --Augustine pretty close, and last rotation player being the new 3 point specialist.
    Based on hard work and merit, I think you're right about Ross not being in the top 8.

    But we can't ignore the fact that this franchise used a lotto pick to land Ross. Even though it was the previous regime that did it, Ujiri knows full well that you can't cast aside lotto picks this early in their careers. As a result, Ross will likely be given extra minutes (ahead of guys like Acy, Buycks and Stone) whether he "deserves" it or not.
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    Talk of an "8 man rotation" is pretty irrelevant. At what point in the past two years have we seen Casey do anything other than put 5 benchwarmers on the floor for significant stretches. I've never understood this, but he seems attached to the idea of a "second unit" being a complete 5 man unit.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    What are you talking about? No one hates Ross -- we all hope he improves. But the man isn't good enough. He doesn't put it together. If the goal is to lose then maybe he's the 6th man. Fields can defend players 1-4, probably the smartest bball player on this team. Psycho T puts in work. Both Buycks and Augustine can play spot minutes at the 2 and don't take plays off. Novak scores 3s well above league wide percentages...What does Ross do better than any of those important roles? Dunk?

    Enough Already! Look at the quality of him playing basketball and stop judging players on how they look jumping up and down. When Ross earns the 6th spot I'll be the first to acknowledge it, but he hasn't. All your proclamations that he has are silly. The man needs to put in work, stop taking plays off, be more active on defense and seek the ball rather than wait for it. He needs to take a more active responsibility of the second team vocally and physically. He's no longer a rook, it will be his choice whether he grows or is traded.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Based on hard work and merit, I think you're right about Ross not being in the top 8.

    But we can't ignore the fact that this franchise used a lotto pick to land Ross. Even though it was the previous regime that did it, Ujiri knows full well that you can't cast aside lotto picks this early in their careers. As a result, Ross will likely be given extra minutes (ahead of guys like Acy, Buycks and Stone) whether he "deserves" it or not.
    True, but different GM, Ross is not Masai's pick. Buycks and Stone are end of bench guys that are. If they are better they'll get a fair chance to usurp Ross.

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    Talk of an "8 man rotation" is pretty irrelevant. At what point in the past two years have we seen Casey do anything other than put 5 benchwarmers on the floor for significant stretches. I've never understood this, but he seems attached to the idea of a "second unit" being a complete 5 man unit.
    At what point in the last 2 years has Casey not had BCo breathing down his neck? winning teams rarely go more than 9 deep. I guess we will learn quickly what the Raps actually think about getting into the playoffs if they go 12 deep like they have been in the regular season then expect some trades.

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    Think you might wanna take that statement back...
    What? People hate TRoss? I don't. There's a lot there -- hopefully he matures and reaches his potential (which is very very high). I'm just trying to look at things objectively with the information available. Hopefully I'm wrong, he's killing it in practice and holding back during these irrelevant games, but his interviews and the way he talks about defense -- when he still hasn't cleaned that side of things up -- suggests that he hasn't.

    There's a difference between hating and analyzing things and coming to a negative conclusion.

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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    Think you might wanna take that statement back...
    who 'hates' Ross? You can think he might not become the player you want him to be, but to hate him? Has he been lazy? apathetic? faking injuries? Demanding the ball?
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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    who 'hates' Ross? You can think he might not become the player you want him to be, but to hate him? Has he been lazy? apathetic? faking injuries? Demanding the ball?
    Not saying I hate him, or anyone on this board hates him.. but it would be inaccurate to say NOBODY hates him. People will always have their reasons, however illogical they may be.
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