Page 37 of 44 FirstFirst ... 27 35 36 37 38 39 ... LastLast
Results 721 to 740 of 878

Thread: RR NBA Dynasty League - S2

  1. #721
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,463
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Ah memories. Who's going to get into a random bidding war this year?
    Ooooh!

    Ohhhh!

    Me!

    ME!
    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
    Tim Leiweke

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  2. #722
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,463
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
    Tim Leiweke

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  3. #723
    Raptors Republic All-Star tucas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Hamilton
    Posts
    1,343
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Ooooh!

    Ohhhh!

    Me!

    ME!
    Considering you only have 1 spot to fill can you even get into a bidding war? Just drop 200 on whoever you want most and call it a day.

  4. #724
    Super Moderator Joey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    7,695
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    Considering you only have 1 spot to fill can you even get into a bidding war? Just drop 200 on whoever you want most and call it a day.
    Don't forget your Draft Budget carries into your Waiver Budget as well. Didn't play much a factor last year, but you never know.
    In Masai we Trust.

  5. #725
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,463
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    Considering you only have 1 spot to fill can you even get into a bidding war? Just drop 200 on whoever you want most and call it a day.
    Gotta save a little bit of change for the waiver wire.

    Also will be fun getting the person on the other end of the bidding stuck on a player they really don't want for a ridiculous amount.

    Lol I love fantasy basketball

  6. Like Joey liked this post
  7. #726
    Super Moderator Joey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    7,695
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    19. Jared Dudley (Mil - SG,SF) $51 Joey's MonStars

    26. Andrew Nicholson (Orl - PF) $27 Joey's MonStars

    8. Andrea Bargnani (NY - PF,C) $22 Joey's MonStars
    Wow thanks for that reminder Matt .... UGH ...
    In Masai we Trust.

  8. #727
    Raptors Republic Starter skywalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    205
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    Don't forget your Draft Budget carries into your Waiver Budget as well. Didn't play much a factor last year, but you never know.
    Can we make bidding matter more??

    If i remember correctly, the only time you had to 'bid' against another owner, was when a player was dropped by someone else, and therefore wasn't available to be picked up immediately because that player had to go through the 3 day wait before anyone could pick him up.

    Outside of that scenario (and the actual first day of waiver wire pick ups), there is absolutely no need to use any free agent money. If you heard news about a hot free agent, you just went and picked him up. Basically first come, first served. But what if we couldn't pick players up until the next day? What if your only option was bid today on the player that would fill your roster tomorrow? That way more of us have a chance to hear the latest news, and put in a bid?

    That way the waiver budget is more meaningful.

    IMO, it doesn't really make sense to be able to blow your entire budget on the free agent auction draft PLUS have the ability to sign waiver wire guys during the season. An owner should be rewarded for being frugal and diligent in the way they handle their money.

    Thoughts?

  9. Like Fully liked this post
  10. #728
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,463
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote skywalker wrote: View Post
    Can we make bidding matter more??

    If i remember correctly, the only time you had to 'bid' against another owner, was when a player was dropped by someone else, and therefore wasn't available to be picked up immediately because that player had to go through the 3 day wait before anyone could pick him up.

    Outside of that scenario (and the actual first day of waiver wire pick ups), there is absolutely no need to use any free agent money. If you heard news about a hot free agent, you just went and picked him up. Basically first come, first served. But what if we couldn't pick players up until the next day? What if your only option was bid today on the player that would fill your roster tomorrow? That way more of us have a chance to hear the latest news, and put in a bid?

    That way the waiver budget is more meaningful.

    IMO, it doesn't really make sense to be able to blow your entire budget on the free agent auction draft PLUS have the ability to sign waiver wire guys during the season. An owner should be rewarded for being frugal and diligent in the way they handle their money.

    Thoughts?
    I'm not sure Yahoo! can be set up as you described in bold #1.

    Also I don't think we should be changing rules now. I've set up my roster to basically be able to get whoever I want in free agency. Since I did that, shouldn't I be rewarded?

    Regarding bold 2, an owner can't sign guys on waiver wire without 'money'. If I blow $200 in free agency, then I have to wait for guys to clear the waiver wire to get a shot at him. If the player is any good at all, he is not going to be able to be obtained because he'll never make it to UFA status. Add/drops don't cost anything and anyone over the cap/$200 can sign because they are the equivalent of a minimum contract. Also why shouldn't a person doing his homework get the opportunity to pick up a guy before anyone else finds out? Isn't that what Masai did with Bruno?

    Bottom line: I don't agree with making fantasy basketball a socialist affair.
    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
    Tim Leiweke

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  11. #729
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,463
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Also last year there were 15 transactions requiring a bid.

    10 of those happened in the first 3 days of the season.

    Once the season opens, any adds are going to be on the waiver wire.

    So if you've blow $200 in free agency, you can't add anyone for the first 3 days of the season. You're stuck with what you have until everyone becomes unrestricted after first 3 days of the season.
    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
    Tim Leiweke

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  12. Like koncept, Mack North liked this post
  13. #730
    Raptors Republic Superstar Mack North's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Smoke City
    Posts
    2,960
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I agree with Mchappy here. Most of the moves are done very early in the season, where owners lose faith early or a player steps it up for the first two weeks or so. There's only minor tinkering done throughout the season, so not much point for waiver money in say, February...

    I'm open to changes for next season if we all vote, but this year should remain the same.
    Keep Calm & Chive On

  14. #731
    Raptors Republic All-Star Fully's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    1,138
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Agree that any change brought forward now should be considered for the 2015-16 season, not the upcoming one.

    But I do like the concept of waiver wire budgets having more importance throughout the season. I think it makes tougher decisions at the draft (how much of your $200 do you keep back for in-season changes) and when you're trying to tinker with your roster once the season gets going. The more strategy, the better.

    Of course, I'm not sure what options the commissioners have in the Yahoo settings for that kind of stuff.

  15. #732
    Raptors Republic Starter skywalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    205
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Also last year there were 15 transactions requiring a bid.

    10 of those happened in the first 3 days of the season.

    Once the season opens, any adds are going to be on the waiver wire.

    So if you've blow $200 in free agency, you can't add anyone for the first 3 days of the season. You're stuck with what you have until everyone becomes unrestricted after first 3 days of the season.
    McHappy, you have done a great job managing your team and have set yourself as the only owner who could at any moment have whoever you'd like in free agency. No one would be able to outbid you on any one single player, because the rest of us need at least 2 players. You should be rewarded for your diligence.

    That said, if you've blown your $200 on free agency, isn't there a good chance that you got who you wanted in free agency, and probably would have no interest in those remaining free agents?

    I know that any changes/editions to our league rules would have to be for 2015-16 season, but this is one I'd like to see more discussion on it.

    Hypothetically, a starter on a team sustains an injury. He's forced to miss time, and as a result, a guy who was on no ones radar is given opportunity to play minutes. We all know this could go either way. Either he provides decent value or he bombs. But those guys are prime waiver wire targets throughout the season. In all leagues not called dynasty, whoever gets to the waiver wire first gets the guy. And that's fine for all those other leagues. But this is dynasty. I think there should be more to it.

    In a Dynasty league it shouldn't be about who gets to the computer first to pick up the next hot free agent. Your ability, or lack thereof, to pick up a player should somehow be connected to how you manage your cap & your money. Right now pick ups affect the cap, and there are ramifications that way, but money matters little.

    Should i be allowed to sign a guy if I don't have the money to do so? In those other leagues, i say yes, first one to the computer wins. But in our dynasty league where you must consider cap space, contract years, auction dollars, next years draft class, etc. you should have to pay for every pick up.

    And in other news, that took me way too long to type out haha Just a few thoughts to throw out for consideration.

  16. #733
    Raptors Republic All-Star
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Cambridge, ON
    Posts
    1,438
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I'm not familiar enough with the way waivers work during the season to really have an opinion on that particular topic.

    But something that struck me as odd when I joined is that free agency seemingly has nothing to do with your available cap space. So someone with 35 years on their cap, and only 1 spot open, can bid $200, win whoever they want, and sign them to 5 years. That's a huge advantage given to a team that has piled on the long term contracts and not valued cap space, exactly the opposite of what happens in the NBA.

    I like the system as is, but I think it would be interesting to at least explore (for future years) allocating free agent auction money based on cap space. Currently, most teams enter the free agency period with about 20-25 years on their cap. So, when each team gets $200, that's about $10 per year of cap space. Is it possible to assign different available amounts to each player for auction, at a rate of $10 per year under the cap? So, for example, if I had only 3 years of cap room available going into free agency, I'd have only $30 of money available at auction - meaning, like an NBA team with limited cap room, I'd be out of the running for the major free agents.

    Just an idea that struck me. Thoughts? Is it even possible with the Yahoo auction system?

  17. Like Fully liked this post
  18. #734
    Raptors Republic Superstar Axel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Nova Scotia
    Posts
    2,686
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I like the idea of more waivers use during the season. That said, no idea how to best implement within the yahoo parameters.

  19. #735
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,463
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote skywalker wrote: View Post
    McHappy, you have done a great job managing your team and have set yourself as the only owner who could at any moment have whoever you'd like in free agency. No one would be able to outbid you on any one single player, because the rest of us need at least 2 players. You should be rewarded for your diligence.

    That said, if you've blown your $200 on free agency, isn't there a good chance that you got who you wanted in free agency, and probably would have no interest in those remaining free agents?

    I know that any changes/editions to our league rules would have to be for 2015-16 season, but this is one I'd like to see more discussion on it.

    Hypothetically, a starter on a team sustains an injury. He's forced to miss time, and as a result, a guy who was on no ones radar is given opportunity to play minutes. We all know this could go either way. Either he provides decent value or he bombs. But those guys are prime waiver wire targets throughout the season. In all leagues not called dynasty, whoever gets to the waiver wire first gets the guy. And that's fine for all those other leagues. But this is dynasty. I think there should be more to it.

    In a Dynasty league it shouldn't be about who gets to the computer first to pick up the next hot free agent. Your ability, or lack thereof, to pick up a player should somehow be connected to how you manage your cap & your money. Right now pick ups affect the cap, and there are ramifications that way, but money matters little.

    Should i be allowed to sign a guy if I don't have the money to do so? In those other leagues, i say yes, first one to the computer wins. But in our dynasty league where you must consider cap space, contract years, auction dollars, next years draft class, etc. you should have to pay for every pick up.

    And in other news, that took me way too long to type out haha Just a few thoughts to throw out for consideration.
    Bold 1: Not true. Mack North is in same situation.

    Bold 2: Also not true. I'm contemplating waiving Jack to get a shot at another player.

    Bold 3: What is the difference than in the NBA when a team brings up a D-League player? It is a Jeremy Lin situation.

    Bold 4: What is the difference between that and an NBA team offering a D-League player or a player who just finished in China or Europe a contract? Guys who aren't signed and are minimum contracts are the equivalent of minimum contract players. NBA teams can add and drop minimum players as they want. HOwever in our league each add and drop counts as a year and you only get 40. The consequence for doing this is if you do come across a player you want to have moving forward, you might not be able to keep him. I hate to pick on jbml but he is in the current situation. In the NBA you don't' see it happening because it actually costs real money and there are luxury tax ramifications.

    BOld 5: Your thinking is backwards.
    Years in Dynasty = actually money in the NBA
    The lower the roster spaces in Dynasty = The greater the cap space in the NBA
    (i.e. 200/1, 200/2, 200/3, 200/4, etc.).

    Bold 6: Yes, because it is a minimum contract. IF you have extra years in your cap space, you can add a guy for extra years.


    A couple of my own points:

    1) I recall a similar discussion in year 1 on this topic. Not to the extent of extensions, but this has been discussed before.
    2) After two years consequences for decisions are starting to become apparent. That is not justification for changing the rules due to poor or unfortunate planning.
    3) No matter what the rules are someone is always going to say, "Yeah but....." It happens in the NBA all the time. Any change to the CBA is going to hinder some teams and help others.
    4) I believe what the majority of the league wants to do is the way to go for after this coming season. However, I don't agree with changing the rules on this topic because there are already consequences in place. If you spend all your money in free agency then anyone who comes across the waiver wire is not available to you... it is that simple. If you used all your years and are over 40 when you pick up a player, you can't resign them meaning they go to free agency. Last year some decent players went across the wire and some players who were either on hot streaks at that time or would go on streaks in the future: Tony Allen, Alec Burks, Wesley Johnson, Draymond Green, James Johnson, Kent Bazemore, Kendall Marshall, Ed Davis, Kelly, Splitter, Garnett, Dudley, Cory Joseph, Harrison Barnes, Nene, Birdman, Dalembert, Harkless, Biyombo, Jason Smith, Farmar, Aaron Brooks, Courtney Lee, Matt Barnes, Mike MIller, PJ Tucker, Chris Kaman, Brendan WRight, Beasley, CJ Miles, Jodie Meeks.

    If we're discussing rule changes with waiver wire the Change I'd like to see is this: if a player is waived, you must have the number of years available to sign him. SO for example last year when Harrison Barnes or Maurice Harkless was waived with 2 years remaining, you could only claim him if you had 38 years or less. If you had 39 or more, you would have to wait until he is an UFA. This would be like the NBA where you can only claim a player not on a minimum contract (1 year) if you have the cap space or an exception (but we don't have exceptions in our league so just cap space) to absorb the value of the contract.

    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    I'm not familiar enough with the way waivers work during the season to really have an opinion on that particular topic.

    But something that struck me as odd when I joined is that free agency seemingly has nothing to do with your available cap space. So someone with 35 years on their cap, and only 1 spot open, can bid $200, win whoever they want, and sign them to 5 years. That's a huge advantage given to a team that has piled on the long term contracts and not valued cap space, exactly the opposite of what happens in the NBA.

    I like the system as is, but I think it would be interesting to at least explore (for future years) allocating free agent auction money based on cap space. Currently, most teams enter the free agency period with about 20-25 years on their cap. So, when each team gets $200, that's about $10 per year of cap space. Is it possible to assign different available amounts to each player for auction, at a rate of $10 per year under the cap? So, for example, if I had only 3 years of cap room available going into free agency, I'd have only $30 of money available at auction - meaning, like an NBA team with limited cap room, I'd be out of the running for the major free agents.

    Just an idea that struck me. Thoughts? Is it even possible with the Yahoo auction system?
    Yes, it is possible. HOwever, the league was set up to mimic the NBA as best as possible. Unfortunately we're not actually dealing with real money. WE can't actually wine and dine players in free agency. We can't wow them with our practice facilities. We can't use agent connections. We can't rely on our past success - or failures. We don't have 'markets' to create more endorsement dollars.

    Bold 1: You need to think in reverse.

    Years in Dynasty = actually money in the NBA

    The lower the roster spaces in Dynasty = The greater the cap space in the NBA
    (i.e. 200/1, 200/2, 200/3, 200/4, etc.).


    **I can't emphasize above enough so I bold it**

    So this summer

    Bold 2: So for an owner that allocated their years wisely, obtained valuable players and signed them to longer deals, built a balanced roster..... they'd be punished? If team A has 11 players and team b has 14 players, team A can still go up to $197 if they really want a player. Of course, they'd be forced to sign the remaining players for $1 each. That might sound like a shitty deal but the guy who won it last year, Keeping It Real !!, had 7 $1 players in free agency last fall.



    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    I like the idea of more waivers use during the season. That said, no idea how to best implement within the yahoo parameters.
    It is never going to happen. Because this is dynasty, very rarely is a great player going to be waived. Even when good players get injured the team sucks it up and holds on to them because a) they are extremely talented, and b) the years still count against your cap unless you amnesty them (and you only have 1 shot to ever do that).

    If you want to make the waiver wire more competitive and interesting, tie it in to the years as I put above. Anyone more than 1 year you need to have the years available.
    Last edited by mcHAPPY; Thu Aug 28th, 2014 at 07:44 PM.
    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
    Tim Leiweke

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  20. #736
    Raptors Republic Starter skywalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    205
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Bold 1: Not true. Mack North is in same situation.

    Bold 2: Also not true. I'm contemplating waiving Jack to get a shot at another player.

    Bold 3: What is the difference than in the NBA when a team brings up a D-League player? It is a Jeremy Lin situation.

    Bold 4: What is the difference between that and an NBA team offering a D-League player or a player who just finished in China or Europe a contract? Guys who aren't signed and are minimum contracts are the equivalent of minimum contract players. NBA teams can add and drop minimum players as they want. HOwever in our league each add and drop counts as a year and you only get 40. The consequence for doing this is if you do come across a player you want to have moving forward, you might not be able to keep him. I hate to pick on jbml but he is in the current situation. In the NBA you don't' see it happening because it actually costs real money and there are luxury tax ramifications.

    BOld 5: Your thinking is backwards.
    Years in Dynasty = actually money in the NBA
    The lower the roster spaces in Dynasty = The greater the cap space in the NBA
    (i.e. 200/1, 200/2, 200/3, 200/4, etc.).

    Bold 6: Yes, because it is a minimum contract. IF you have extra years in your cap space, you can add a guy for extra years.


    A couple of my own points:

    1) I recall a similar discussion in year 1 on this topic. Not to the extent of extensions, but this has been discussed before.
    2) After two years consequences for decisions are starting to become apparent. That is not justification for changing the rules due to poor or unfortunate planning.
    3) No matter what the rules are someone is always going to say, "Yeah but....." It happens in the NBA all the time. Any change to the CBA is going to hinder some teams and help others.
    4) I believe what the majority of the league wants to do is the way to go for after this coming season. However, I don't agree with changing the rules on this topic because there are already consequences in place. If you spend all your money in free agency then anyone who comes across the waiver wire is not available to you... it is that simple. If you used all your years and are over 40 when you pick up a player, you can't resign them meaning they go to free agency. Last year some decent players went across the wire and some players who were either on hot streaks at that time or would go on streaks in the future: Tony Allen, Alec Burks, Wesley Johnson, Draymond Green, James Johnson, Kent Bazemore, Kendall Marshall, Ed Davis, Kelly, Splitter, Garnett, Dudley, Cory Joseph, Harrison Barnes, Nene, Birdman, Dalembert, Harkless, Biyombo, Jason Smith, Farmar, Aaron Brooks, Courtney Lee, Matt Barnes, Mike MIller, PJ Tucker, Chris Kaman, Brendan WRight, Beasley, CJ Miles, Jodie Meeks.

    If we're discussing rule changes with waiver wire the Change I'd like to see is this: if a player is waived, you must have the number of years available to sign him. SO for example last year when Harrison Barnes or Maurice Harkless was waived with 2 years remaining, you could only claim him if you had 38 years or less. If you had 39 or more, you would have to wait until he is an UFA. This would be like the NBA where you can only claim a player not on a minimum contract (1 year) if you have the cap space or an exception (but we don't have exceptions in our league so just cap space) to absorb the value of the contract.



    Yes, it is possible. HOwever, the league was set up to mimic the NBA as best as possible. Unfortunately we're not actually dealing with real money. WE can't actually wine and dine players in free agency. We can't wow them with our practice facilities. We can't use agent connections. We can't rely on our past success - or failures. We don't have 'markets' to create more endorsement dollars.

    Bold 1: You need to think in reverse.

    Years in Dynasty = actually money in the NBA

    The lower the roster spaces in Dynasty = The greater the cap space in the NBA
    (i.e. 200/1, 200/2, 200/3, 200/4, etc.).


    **I can't emphasize above enough so I bold it**

    So this summer

    Bold 2: So for an owner that allocated their years wisely, obtained valuable players and signed them to longer deals, built a balanced roster..... they'd be punished? If team A has 11 players and team b has 14 players, team A can still go up to $197 if they really want a player. Of course, they'd be forced to sign the remaining players for $1 each. That might sound like a shitty deal but the guy who won it last year, Keeping It Real !!, had 7 $1 players in free agency last fall.





    It is never going to happen. Because this is dynasty, very rarely is a great player going to be waived. Even when good players get injured the team sucks it up and holds on to them because a) they are extremely talented, and b) the years still count against your cap unless you amnesty them (and you only have 1 shot to ever do that).

    If you want to make the waiver wire more competitive and interesting, tie it in to the years as I put above. Anyone more than 1 year you need to have the years available.
    No matter what the league rules are, we all have to abide by those same rules, and playing the game is all about how we operate within those parameters. No matter what rules are in place, it's going to be fun.

    Just to be clear, I am not suggesting changes to the waiver wire because of any consequence I've suffered.

    I am suggesting it based on the fact that it seems that many times i hear/read stuff on dynasty leagues, they talk about a 'bidding on players' process throughout the whole year (or at least it seems that way). This is one way that it operates:


    "In an auction bidding environment, players who are not selected in the league draft, players who are dropped and players added to the player pool during the season become FAAB-eligible for the timeframe set by the league creator. However, instead of placing a traditional waiver claim, an owner places a bid they feel is appropriate based on a player's value. The league creator assigns the pre-determined budget of each team for FAAB bidding over the course of the season. During the bidding period, team owners may bid at any time before the deadline. In a FAAB bidding environment, the only way players can be picked up is through the FAAB bidding process, and there are no first-come, first-served pick-ups. The bidding process is an open process and there is no sequence for the bids. Team owners may bid at any time during the waiver period, before it expires.

    There is no waiver order in FAAB leagues. Claims are processed according to highest bid. There's a tie break order, but that's only reset when two teams bid the same amount on a player. During the bidding period, no team can see any other team's bids or bid amounts. All teams can view FAAB bidding results after bids are processed, either on the league home page or in waiver reports. Additionally, all teams can view other teams' budget balances on each team clubhouse and waiver order pages.
    "

    I'm not sure if that says what I am trying to say a little clearer.

    The goal in my thought isn't to mirror real life NBA management, as much as it is about trying to change the 'first come, first serve' way of waiver wire.

  21. Like Fully liked this post
  22. #737
    Raptors Republic All-Star
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Cambridge, ON
    Posts
    1,438
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Yes, it is possible. HOwever, the league was set up to mimic the NBA as best as possible. Unfortunately we're not actually dealing with real money. WE can't actually wine and dine players in free agency. We can't wow them with our practice facilities. We can't use agent connections. We can't rely on our past success - or failures. We don't have 'markets' to create more endorsement dollars.

    Bold 1: You need to think in reverse.

    Years in Dynasty = actually money in the NBA

    The lower the roster spaces in Dynasty = The greater the cap space in the NBA
    (i.e. 200/1, 200/2, 200/3, 200/4, etc.).


    **I can't emphasize above enough so I bold it**

    So this summer

    Bold 2: So for an owner that allocated their years wisely, obtained valuable players and signed them to longer deals, built a balanced roster..... they'd be punished? If team A has 11 players and team b has 14 players, team A can still go up to $197 if they really want a player. Of course, they'd be forced to sign the remaining players for $1 each. That might sound like a shitty deal but the guy who won it last year, Keeping It Real !!, had 7 $1 players in free agency last fall.
    First bold: ah, but those are contradictory statements. Naturally, the more players you have signed, typically the more years will be on the cap (and the less Dynasty cap space you will have). But at the same time, the less Dynasty cap space you have, the more money you have to offer a free agent, as you yourself outlined - 200 being greater than 199. There we address the second bold - if team A wants the biggest name free agent, and team B wants them too, team B gets them, not only in spite of, but BECAUSE of having LESS "cap space."

    If years in Dynasty = money in NBA, then the amount of "money" (years) you have to spend should impact your ability to sign free agents.

    I agree that we can't wine and dine the players, or use agent connections, or any of the rest, EXCEPT we CAN still horde cap space and offer the most money for free agents, just like in the NBA. Except we can't - not the way it is currently set up. The current system encourages the opposite - spend all your cap so that you'll be able to sign a big name free agent in the summer. It leaves teams with poor players stuck either losing out on their free agency targets, or locking up players they don't really want, just to keep their empty roster spots down. It discourages teams from letting players walk to free agency (as every player that walks actually effectively eats up cap space - in the context if signing free agents - instead of clearing it), thus also suppressing the free agent market, leaving very few good options out there - all of whom will be picked up by the nearly-capped-out teams, since they have effective veto over other bidders.

    If everyone is fine with the way it is, so am I. But right now it is NOT logically consistent with the "Cap = Money" mantra. Right now it is more like "Empty roster slots = Money deficit," which is about as far away as you can get from the approach in the NBA.

  23. #738
    Raptors Republic Superstar Mack North's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Smoke City
    Posts
    2,960
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Wow, lots to think about! Some good points to be considered by all.

    ***In other news, Mack North is announcing they have signed The Westside Connection(circa 1997) as their Global Ambassador.
    "We feel that the Gangsta, the Killa, and the Dope Dealer will have great effect on persuading many free agents to sign with Mack North, due to sheer brute force" said team owner Mack. "We can have anyone we want this year, homie!" says Ice Cube aka The Gangsta "We lookin' real hard at just a few palyers..."

    The story will be different next off-season, when Mack North has 7 players coming off the books, of which a total of 3 can be re-signed. Some notables to likely be available would be; C - Brook Lopez, C - DeAndre Jordan, G-F - Tyreke Evans, G - Brad Beal, and C-PF - Andre Drummond. Mack is currently listening to any and all "fair" offers for each and every one, but mainly just listening at this point.***

    *I did not do a good job my first season as GM assigning years, was still trying to figure the whole thing out. Believe I have it down now, though* .oO(I hope??)
    Keep Calm & Chive On

  24. #739
    Raptors Republic Superstar Axel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Nova Scotia
    Posts
    2,686
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I think far too much concern over fixing the current system when we don't actually know if it's broken. We need to run with it for a few years before we can really take a look and say, "this needs to be changed here and here" to allow for competitive balance.

    And while McHappy's team looks like he is nicely set, remember that he has players on his roster that are long shots to produce for a year or two (Bruno, took the same gamble with Giannis last year). He also hasn't won anything yet, so even if he is positioned pretty and manages to win it all this year, it's not like the system is broken and we've seen his team (or any team) dominate the league.

  25. Like mcHAPPY liked this post
  26. #740
    Raptors Republic All-Star
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Cambridge, ON
    Posts
    1,438
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with the current system, hard to argue with competitive balance when (if I have this right) the top 3 winners were totally different in years 1 and 2. I've just heard the NBA:money = Dynasty:years statement several times and the only part of the league that doesn't fit that (and actually completely opposes that) idea is free agency. Just brought it up as something to think about since we were discussing changes anyway.

Page 37 of 44 FirstFirst ... 27 35 36 37 38 39 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •