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    Default Raptors starting 5 among the top 5 in the league

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/...sis-miami-heat

    Now if the bench would only provide a little bit of productivity.....

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/...sis-miami-heat

    Now if the bench would only provide a little bit of productivity.....
    Is that James Johnson where Amir should be? It even kinda looks like Joey Graham...

    Even though I'm all about Riggin' for Wiggins, we at least owe it to ourselves to see if this weirdo stat of them being a top 5 5 man unit was an outlier, or legitimate.

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Even though I'm all about Riggin' for Wiggins, we at least owe it to ourselves to see if this weirdo stat of them being a top 5 5 man unit was an outlier, or legitimate.
    I agree. The first 15-20 games will be enough for us to know if this lineup is the real deal, or possibly the real deal but in need of tweaking, or something to tear down.

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    Jack Armstrong mentioned that if this team wants to be in the playoffs, the starting five will have to log 75+ games of 38+ minutes. If they can pull it off, they could be a number 6 seed.

    If anyone other than Hansborough, Novak and (insert terrible backup PG here) gets significant minutes this year -- because of Casey or because of injury -- things will get messy.

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    Jack Armstrong mentioned that if this team wants to be in the playoffs, the starting five will have to log 75+ games of 38+ minutes. If they can pull it off, they could be a number 6 seed.

    If anyone other than Hansborough, Novak and (insert terrible backup PG here) gets significant minutes this year -- because of Casey or because of injury -- things will get messy.
    That threshold sounds virtually impossible. At most, JV will be playing ~32 minutes a game. Amir has never played more than 30MPG in his career. Lowry has had a lot of freak injuries. Gay is fairly durable and Derozan is pretty much made of iron but that's a lot of minutes....

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    Jack Armstrong mentioned that if this team wants to be in the playoffs, the starting five will have to log 75+ games of 38+ minutes. If they can pull it off, they could be a number 6 seed.

    If anyone other than Hansborough, Novak and (insert terrible backup PG here) gets significant minutes this year -- because of Casey or because of injury -- things will get messy.
    Come on, give Q some love!

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    That threshold sounds virtually impossible. At most, JV will be playing ~32 minutes a game. Amir has never played more than 30MPG in his career. Lowry has had a lot of freak injuries. Gay is fairly durable and Derozan is pretty much made of iron but that's a lot of minutes....
    Not saying it's going to happen (one can hope...). But I do think that if more than 3 members of our bench start to log significant minutes (i.e. more than 15 a game) we're probably doomed.

    So yeah. We're probably doomed.

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    Not saying it's going to happen (one can hope...). But I do think that if more than 3 members of our bench start to log significant minutes (i.e. more than 15 a game) we're probably doomed.

    So yeah. We're probably doomed.
    Both Novak and Hansbrough are capable NBA players. They aren't going to light the world on fire but they can both give you ~20 MPG. Fields was once a capable NBA player and, if he's healthy, he can contribute. They need one of the PGs to play well.

    The bench isn't great but I'm not sure it's the self-destruct button people think it is. Thing is, you can't throw them out there together. You have to use them judiciously. If Gay, Derozan and Val are all on the bench at the same time, it will be disastrous. Casey needs to do a better job with the rotation than he did last year. But they have the bodies to throw in there if they are used wisely.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Both Novak and Hansbrough are capable NBA players. They aren't going to light the world on fire but they can both give you ~20 MPG. Fields was once a capable NBA player and, if he's healthy, he can contribute. They need one of the PGs to play well.

    The bench isn't great but I'm not sure it's the self-destruct button people think it is. Thing is, you can't throw them out there together. You have to use them judiciously. If Gay, Derozan and Val are all on the bench at the same time, it will be disastrous. Casey needs to do a better job with the rotation than he did last year. But they have the bodies to throw in there if they are used wisely.
    I agree with you completely. The bench isn't THAT bad. They just can NEVER have the whole bench on the floor at the same time unless we are blowing out a team.

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    Yes, the Toronto Raptors had one of the best lineups in the league last season. Yes, this is the only lineup included that didn't make the playoffs. Yes, I also had a double take and even refreshed my page (twice) to make sure the data was accurate.
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    If Lowry or JV go down, we're doomed. I don't think we can get away with a small line-up like Miami can (with Bosh on the bench). And all 3 of our back-up pg's scare me for different reasons. If the Pacers can play their starting 5 an insane amount of minutes, hopefully we can too.

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    Quote Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    If Lowry or JV go down, we're doomed. I don't think we can get away with a small line-up like Miami can (with Bosh on the bench). And all 3 of our back-up pg's scare me for different reasons. If the Pacers can play their starting 5 an insane amount of minutes, hopefully we can too.

    Looking forward to the season starting.
    Well, Dwane Casey always talks about how he wants the team to be built like the Pacers so... I guess he somewhat got his wish? Lol

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Both Novak and Hansbrough are capable NBA players. They aren't going to light the world on fire but they can both give you ~20 MPG. Fields was once a capable NBA player and, if he's healthy, he can contribute. They need one of the PGs to play well.

    The bench isn't great but I'm not sure it's the self-destruct button people think it is. Thing is, you can't throw them out there together. You have to use them judiciously. If Gay, Derozan and Val are all on the bench at the same time, it will be disastrous. Casey needs to do a better job with the rotation than he did last year. But they have the bodies to throw in there if they are used wisely.
    Agreed on the bench not being as terrible as they're made out to be.

    And agreed on Casey using his bench to compliment his starters. There should never be more than 3 bench guys on the floor together....ever (something else Jack Armstrong eluded to).
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    Quote Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    If Lowry or JV go down, we're doomed. I don't think we can get away with a small line-up like Miami can (with Bosh on the bench). And all 3 of our back-up pg's scare me for different reasons. If the Pacers can play their starting 5 an insane amount of minutes, hopefully we can too.



    Looking forward to the season starting.

    Agreed. Just have to avoid injuries.

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    I would be very interested to see what is on some of those cards that Coach Casey has handed out to his players (and their agents)!

    We'll see how things go this week, but judging from preseason games, at least one starter will remain on the court while the bench players are in. Right now, it looks like: Hansbrough at centre, Novak at power forward, Fields at small forward, and a point guard to be named later. Ross will get some burn, but that is a nine-man rotation right there.

    One main concern I have is that Hansbrough should be playing with a centre, whether Johnson, Valanciunas, or Gray, not as the centre. He and Novak have hardly played together due to the latter's thumb injury. A second concern is that the point guard problem needs to be solved very quickly! I agree that extended minutes for Lowry is a good idea, given his history of injuries.
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    Is this actually new information?? Didn't we already know that our starting line-up was top 5 like 2 months ago!? This is what a LOT of Anti-Tankers were saying for sooooo long. Let these guys play and see what they can do. I'm glad some posters are finally paying attention.... geeesh. lol

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    Take Toronto's starters. toss out the stats and just pretend were talking ball here.

    Name one of the final 8 teams last year, who you believe Toronto's starting five, could beat down the stretch 10 mins of a tied game at a .650 rate or so. You name one and I bet you're dreaming. Toronto, like many shitter teams have numbers that aren't quite adjusted properly, they play in way less big time moments, they play a lot of meaningless minutes. Numbers only tell a statistical account of what happened, they don't tell you how a game wa splayed, what the circumstances were etc.

    Toronto, is not anywhere close to an elite team, not even remotely close. They are my team, I will cheer for um, but they are sad still.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Take Toronto's starters. toss out the stats and just pretend were talking ball here.

    Name one of the final 8 teams last year, who you believe Toronto's starting five, could beat down the stretch 10 mins of a tied game at a .650 rate or so. You name one and I bet you're dreaming. Toronto, like many shitter teams have numbers that aren't quite adjusted properly, they play in way less big time moments, they play a lot of meaningless minutes. Numbers only tell a statistical account of what happened, they don't tell you how a game wa splayed, what the circumstances were etc.

    Toronto, is not anywhere close to an elite team, not even remotely close. They are my team, I will cheer for um, but they are sad still.
    I don't care about the offense but they have the potential to be an elite Defensive team. That's all it takes in the league. Look at Memphis could you really say that's a extremely talent team? They guard every position(well at least when Hollins was there)
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    I like that, I likke they can guard, and I hope they can be elite one day. But in crunch time, they have never shown they can shut down other good teams, nor that they could execute against them. Playing meaningless games when your eliminated in february, or in pre season is not the same as playing big games in May.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Take Toronto's starters. toss out the stats and just pretend were talking ball here.

    Name one of the final 8 teams last year, who you believe Toronto's starting five, could beat down the stretch 10 mins of a tied game at a .650 rate or so. You name one and I bet you're dreaming. Toronto, like many shitter teams have numbers that aren't quite adjusted properly, they play in way less big time moments, they play a lot of meaningless minutes. Numbers only tell a statistical account of what happened, they don't tell you how a game wa splayed, what the circumstances were etc.

    Toronto, is not anywhere close to an elite team, not even remotely close. They are my team, I will cheer for um, but they are sad still.
    You do realize we're talking about the STARTING FIVE (Lowry, Derozan, Gay, JV, Amir)....Everyone and their grandparents knew the Raptor's bench sucked last year!

    Also, i think its time for posters to get over the PAST. This team is definitely better than it was last year. Demar seems better, Fields seems better, Rudy seems better, Lowry seems better and JV is definitely better (just based on growth alone). We got rid of Bargnani and replaced him with Novak and Hansborough (BETTER no?) DJ is probably better BUT no worse than JL3......To all the negative people out there - Please give this team at least a few weeks before you start shitting on our players!!!

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