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    WTF?

    You can only go off what has been seen and done bud, you wanna base your opinions on what could be, thats cool, I like an optimist, its all good.

    I'm just telling you how it is. This team, is getting better, but there is a really big gap between true contenders and pretenders. Part of that is learning to play when it actually matters.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    I like that, I likke they can guard, and I hope they can be elite one day. But in crunch time, they have never shown they can shut down other good teams, nor that they could execute against them. Playing meaningless games when your eliminated in february, or in pre season is not the same as playing big games in May.
    Games in February are never meaningless? This isn't the same team we started with last season. That team could not close out games.
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    We shall see my friend. I'm not getting my hopes up.

    I welcome success, but will be happy with failure.

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    Agreed on the bench not being as terrible as they're made out to be.

    And agreed on Casey using his bench to compliment his starters. There should never be more than 3 bench guys on the floor together....ever (something else Jack Armstrong eluded to).
    One option is to have a quick hook with Rudy or Demar. Haven't thought it all the way through but if you pull Demar with say, 5:00 left in the 1Q, then you bring him back for the entire second quarter. Roll Rudy for the entire first and give him 5 or 6 off in the second, then you always have one of them out there. You could also, theoretically, run a similar set up with Amir and Val, though it's more complicated given you're looking at them both playing about 30 mins.

    My only real concern with the bench is the PG spot. Not sure you can manipulate that much.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    One option is to have a quick hook with Rudy or Demar. Haven't thought it all the way through but if you pull Demar with say, 5:00 left in the 1Q, then you bring him back for the entire second quarter. Roll Rudy for the entire first and give him 5 or 6 off in the second, then you always have one of them out there. You could also, theoretically, run a similar set up with Amir and Val, though it's more complicated given you're looking at them both playing about 30 mins.

    My only real concern with the bench is the PG spot. Not sure you can manipulate that much.
    I yelled that sort of stuff at my tv all of last season, wondering why DC changed his lineup like a hockey team rolling out their second line. I drool at the prospect of a coach actually using a rotation, and not just 5-man lines. I think Gay/DeRozan and maybe Fields will always be on when the backup PG is running the show, to ensure there are other adequate ball handlers on the court. If the pressure to be a floor general can be relieved, allowing the backup PG to focus more on defense, they'll be set (which also sets up nicely for a guy like Stone).

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    WTF?

    You can only go off what has been seen and done bud, you wanna base your opinions on what could be, thats cool, I like an optimist, its all good.

    I'm just telling you how it is. This team, is getting better, but there is a really big gap between true contenders and pretenders. Part of that is learning to play when it actually matters.
    And you can't learn to play like that without, you know, actually playing together. For the most part the final 8 teams you mentioned all had a pretty high degree of continuity, coaches included.

    That's something the Raptors are beginning this year, but who knows if it will be allowed to continue. Or if they have the overall talent to truly take advantage of it.

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    And you can't learn to play like that without, you know, actually playing together. For the most part the final 8 teams you mentioned all had a pretty high degree of continuity, coaches included.

    That's something the Raptors are beginning this year, but who knows if it will be allowed to continue. Or if they have the overall talent to truly take advantage of it.
    Agreed, in that experience and repetition of an in place system is needed to get to that next level. 100%. Which, is why I stand by my opinion here because Toronto has far from accomplished that task. They need to do it this year with a solid core of the young players playing "learning minutes", and they need, as much as people hate to hear, to lose, a lot.

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    You do realize we're talking about the STARTING FIVE (Lowry, Derozan, Gay, JV, Amir)....Everyone and their grandparents knew the Raptor's bench sucked last year!

    Also, i think its time for posters to get over the PAST. This team is definitely better than it was last year. Demar seems better, Fields seems better, Rudy seems better, Lowry seems better and JV is definitely better (just based on growth alone). We got rid of Bargnani and replaced him with Novak and Hansborough (BETTER no?) DJ is probably better BUT no worse than JL3......To all the negative people out there - Please give this team at least a few weeks before you start shitting on our players!!!

    Thanks!
    Time will tell. Hope we have better start than last year.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    WTF?

    You can only go off what has been seen and done bud, you wanna base your opinions on what could be, thats cool, I like an optimist, its all good.

    I'm just telling you how it is. This team, is getting better, but there is a really big gap between true contenders and pretenders. Part of that is learning to play when it actually matters.
    I don't think anybody has come close to proposing that they're "true contenders" at this point. Teams don't go from 9th in the East to contenders in 1 season, not even if you have a Lebron or KD. What some of us are looking at is 1 step, then another, then another. In 2010, Pacers had 32 wins and out of the playoffs for the 4th straight year. 2011 saw 37 wins, and 1st round exit. 2012 saw 42 wins and 2nd round exit. Looking like the proverbial treadmill team, hey. Then in 2013, 49 wins and pushing Miami to 7 games in East Finals. All with only 1 lottery pick, George at 10th)

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    I don't think anybody has come close to proposing that they're "true contenders" at this point. Teams don't go from 9th in the East to contenders in 1 season, not even if you have a Lebron or KD. What some of us are looking at is 1 step, then another, then another. In 2010, Pacers had 32 wins and out of the playoffs for the 4th straight year. 2011 saw 37 wins, and 1st round exit. 2012 saw 42 wins and 2nd round exit. Looking like the proverbial treadmill team, hey. Then in 2013, 49 wins and pushing Miami to 7 games in East Finals. All with only 1 lottery pick, George at 10th)
    Difference between Indiana and Toronto is cap space.

    Indiana were able to keep their core and add David west.

    Only way toronto adds a David west is if Rudy Gay is gone.

    I think we can all agree that if you take Rudy gay off this team it won't be pretty.

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    If the Pacers could use a similar like bench last year and make it to the East Finals. I think the Raptors should be decent.

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    Difference between Indiana and Toronto is cap space.

    Indiana were able to keep their core and add David west.

    Only way toronto adds a David west is if Rudy Gay is gone.

    I think we can all agree that if you take Rudy gay off this team it won't be pretty.
    There's no question that cap space is an important aspect in today's NBA, but I wasn't trying to suggest that the Raps can follow the Indiana's exact model and process. It was in response to the comment that the Raps are not contenders, and pointing out that there's different ways to skin the cat, and no way gets you from late lottery to contender in 1 season. Right now, until proven otherwise, I have faith that MU is going to make wise moves to elevate this team above where they've been for quite some time. I'm looking forward to it, whatever that path ends up being.

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    There's no question that cap space is an important aspect in today's NBA, but I wasn't trying to suggest that the Raps can follow the Indiana's exact model and process. It was in response to the comment that the Raps are not contenders, and pointing out that there's different ways to skin the cat, and no way gets you from late lottery to contender in 1 season. Right now, until proven otherwise, I have faith that MU is going to make wise moves to elevate this team above where they've been for quite some time. I'm looking forward to it, whatever that path ends up being.
    Agreed.

    I was attempting to highlight one of the main areas of improvement for a team on the cusp of contention is free agency. Raps won't have that with Gay, Lowry, DD core, unfortunately.
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    I know that most of us already know this from last year, and their was an article about this on NBA.com But, arguably our biggest problem last year was closing out/winning close games (5 points or less) We were brutal, 2nd worst in the league ahead of the Wizards and essentially tied with New Orleans.

    Winning close games needs to happen and I believe Miami was number 1 in this category.
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