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    Maybe i'm just a positive person BUT I don't know what Casey said that was sooo absurd or silly....

    "It would be great. I would love to see DeMar DeRozan rise and grow and become that superstar. He has that ability and it's just a matter of time. That would be great for him to do that."


    Shiiiiit - I would love for him to be a superstar too! I hope that true Raptor fans hope for the same thing! Is Casey supposed to hate on Demar like most of the posters in this thread? Yes, i said hate....lol Some of you posters have your reputations pinned on whether Demar succeeds or fails.....i think we all know who you are.
    Really, eh. Get's tiring.

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    The underlined part is the problem for a lot of fans. It's the same sort of false hope and unfair expectations that were heaped on Bargnani. DC can talk about DeRozan being a good player, a good kid and having the right attitude and approach, with a drive to get even better. DC can talk about DeRozan being a key piece of the puzzle for the Raptors and an integral part of the team's core, in terms of success this season. DC doesn't need to mention DeRozan as a superstar or becoming a superstar... that's overselling and creating unnecessary hype/pressure. Even the biggest DeRozan fanboys have to accept that he'll never be a superstar, even if he continues to improve, so why create unrealistic expectations that will only fuel the anti-DeRozan fire?

    DeRozan, just like Bargnani, should never have been mentioned as anything more than a #3 option at best. Unfortunately, Bargnani was hyped up and promoted as the face of the post-Bosh franchise and declared the #1 option for several seasons, which was way beyond anything that should ever have been reasonably expected of him. I feared the Raptors were doing the same thing with DeRozan last year; at least acquiring Gay bumped him down to #2. DeRozan is a solid #3 option, but seems to have neither the game or personality to be 'the guy', which is absolutely critical to be a true superstar in the NBA.
    And the purpose of the post.

    He is not a superstar talent - sorry.

    I'd love him to be, but he is not, and saying he is truly heading down the path of a repeat of Bargnani.
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    When he missed those two free throws last night, I immediately thought that it was not going to be Demar's night... and it wasn't. The Celtics had a game-plan for him, they had Wallace - who is not only bigger and stronger than Demar, but is very much a + defender - guarding him at least 50% of his time on the floor.

    I expect Demar to do better than he did last night, even when he has a great defender on him, but for opening night I'm willing to give him a pass because he was very active in trying to get to the rim, especially through the first 2 quarters.



    It's unreasonable to expect him not to take any 15-20 ft shots, because when he's attacking 1 on 1, he has to keep the D honest. I would definitely give him a "D" for last night, but I'm going to do what he's probably doing and focus on the next game.

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    Well DeMar certainly thinks he's on the verge of becoming a star player.

    DeRozan said. “I (looked at) Kobe (Bryant) and how he approaches the game – how strong he is to be down there in the post. I looked at a lot of older players like when (Michael) Jordan came back, he really took advantage of the post. I told myself, why wait until I am older to try to master that. Why can’t I do that now?"

    “(My confidence) is as high as it has ever been. I just don’t feel like anybody can guard me. I don’t really worry about anything on the offensive end. I know I can score when I want to. I can create when I want to or get to the free throw line."

    Raptors DeMar DeRozan: Headed To Another Level

    A lot of that confidence comes from Rudy Gay keeping SF from guarding DeMar in the post - but does it really matter why at this point?
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    Change "superstar" to "all star" and we have a conversation. DeMar will not be, cannot be, a superstar. He just does not have the inborn ability. You can't work your way into being a "superstar". You can work your way into the all star game. Former Raptor Antonio Davis is a great example. DeMar seems to have the drive and work ethic to make it possible.

    More power to him.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Change "superstar" to "all star" and we have a conversation. DeMar will not be, cannot be, a superstar. He just does not have the inborn ability. You can't work your way into being a "superstar". You can work your way into the all star game. Former Raptor Antonio Davis is a great example. DeMar seems to have the drive and work ethic to make it possible.

    More power to him.
    And IMO, it's importance to our team, not just him, deserves more respect.

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    The thing about him not getting calls isn't an excuse. Many people on here tend to think DeMar supporters are using that as an excuse but really it's not, it's reality. He constantly gets hacked on his way to the basket, but he's learned to ignore it and use his strength to finish through it. He definitely has all star potential but in order to reach that he needs to improve his passing game at least a little. No more ISO pull up jumpers with a hand in his face or mindless Kamikaze drives expecting to get calls. Run some PnR with JV or Amir and try to create for teammates instead of yourself, that's my message to DeMar

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    If DeMar got the calls that Harden, Durant and prime Wade got he would be easily putting 25 ppg efficiently a night.

    If Harden never got calls would he really be that great? yes cause he can handle the ball run offense and shoot the 3, but he wouldnt be such a scoring power house. for a 2 guard DeMar is really big to make up for non calls the guy is finishing through contact now.

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    I don't even know where to start. Dirk, Chauncey (already mentioned), Joe Johnson, Nash (already mentioned)...Kobe took a while to peak (2.5 years), other than rebounds Boogie Cousins isn't demonstrably better than DeMar (obviously these are straight numbers and don't include how much of a defensive beast Boogie is).

    As long as the trend is to grab players as freshmen, or junior level pros from Europe it's going to take longer for NBA players to reach their peak. That doesn't include late bloomers like Nash and Billups. Can DeMar become a star? Sure, he's young enough. He has the mentality and demeanor of a player who demands improvement. It is possible. Likely? That's another story, but the idea shouldn't be taken lightly.

    As far as this nonsense that Ross is better than DeMar. First let see Ross have a run of 10 games where in at least 8 of those games he doesn't completely disappear before we have this debate. Ross hasn't earned the right to even be spoken of as better than Landry Fields, let alone DeMar yet.

    Finally, the Celtics game was not really that close. If Casey called a timeout to stop that 3rd quarter run that whole point of argument does not exist. Please don't confuse poor coaching with poor play. Also, despite a positive +- a large amount of that happened because DJ Augustin disappeared defensively in the 3rd. Why Casey didn't sub in Lowry for a short spell to steady things is a mystery.

    Casey may get fired mid-season with a winning record with his nonsense. The Raps aren't a vet team. He can't expect them to shift momentum without a timeout. It's not the Mavs team he assisted, or the Spurs. The only player capable of that sort of play is Rudy, and he doesn't run plays. You need the right type of point guard and vet players to do that. DJ can't change pace, and the only players on the Raps brave enough to call for the ball in that scenario are JV, Gay, and DeRozan. Only Gay was on the floor. DJ was incapable of getting it to him...Also, why does Casey go 10 deep? That's ridiculous.

    Ahh...sorry for the tangent.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    other than rebounds Boogie Cousins isn't demonstrably better than DeMar (obviously these are straight numbers and don't include how much of a defensive beast Boogie is).
    Just did a double-take. Am I missing some sarcasm here? If not, you obviously haven't watched Boogie beyond the highlight reels. He's an awful, awful defender.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    I don't even know where to start. Dirk, Chauncey (already mentioned), Joe Johnson, Nash (already mentioned)...Kobe took a while to peak (2.5 years), other than rebounds Boogie Cousins isn't demonstrably better than DeMar (obviously these are straight numbers and don't include how much of a defensive beast Boogie is).

    As long as the trend is to grab players as freshmen, or junior level pros from Europe it's going to take longer for NBA players to reach their peak. That doesn't include late bloomers like Nash and Billups. Can DeMar become a star? Sure, he's young enough. He has the mentality and demeanor of a player who demands improvement. It is possible. Likely? That's another story, but the idea shouldn't be taken lightly.

    As far as this nonsense that Ross is better than DeMar. First let see Ross have a run of 10 games where in at least 8 of those games he doesn't completely disappear before we have this debate. Ross hasn't earned the right to even be spoken of as better than Landry Fields, let alone DeMar yet.

    Finally, the Celtics game was not really that close. If Casey called a timeout to stop that 3rd quarter run that whole point of argument does not exist. Please don't confuse poor coaching with poor play. Also, despite a positive +- a large amount of that happened because DJ Augustin disappeared defensively in the 3rd. Why Casey didn't sub in Lowry for a short spell to steady things is a mystery.

    Casey may get fired mid-season with a winning record with his nonsense. The Raps aren't a vet team. He can't expect them to shift momentum without a timeout. It's not the Mavs team he assisted, or the Spurs. The only player capable of that sort of play is Rudy, and he doesn't run plays. You need the right type of point guard and vet players to do that. DJ can't change pace, and the only players on the Raps brave enough to call for the ball in that scenario are JV, Gay, and DeRozan. Only Gay was on the floor. DJ was incapable of getting it to him...Also, why does Casey go 10 deep? That's ridiculous.

    Ahh...sorry for the tangent.
    While I agree that Casey probably should have used a time-out, I don't think you can correlate that into poor coaching. Phil Jackson used to say that early in the season he'd let his guys "play through it" to see how they respond. It says a lot about the players if they can settle themselves down without burning a timeout. Better to learn that in game 1 than game 82 with playoffs on the line.

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    but if you look at it from a different perspective and if they are looking to trade him this year --- these comments don't hurt

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    I don't even know where to start. Dirk, Chauncey (already mentioned), Joe Johnson, Nash (already mentioned)...Kobe took a while to peak (2.5 years), other than rebounds Boogie Cousins isn't demonstrably better than DeMar (obviously these are straight numbers and don't include how much of a defensive beast Boogie is).

    As long as the trend is to grab players as freshmen, or junior level pros from Europe it's going to take longer for NBA players to reach their peak. That doesn't include late bloomers like Nash and Billups. Can DeMar become a star? Sure, he's young enough. He has the mentality and demeanor of a player who demands improvement. It is possible. Likely? That's another story, but the idea shouldn't be taken lightly.

    As far as this nonsense that Ross is better than DeMar. First let see Ross have a run of 10 games where in at least 8 of those games he doesn't completely disappear before we have this debate. Ross hasn't earned the right to even be spoken of as better than Landry Fields, let alone DeMar yet.

    Finally, the Celtics game was not really that close. If Casey called a timeout to stop that 3rd quarter run that whole point of argument does not exist. Please don't confuse poor coaching with poor play. Also, despite a positive +- a large amount of that happened because DJ Augustin disappeared defensively in the 3rd. Why Casey didn't sub in Lowry for a short spell to steady things is a mystery.

    Casey may get fired mid-season with a winning record with his nonsense. The Raps aren't a vet team. He can't expect them to shift momentum without a timeout. It's not the Mavs team he assisted, or the Spurs. The only player capable of that sort of play is Rudy, and he doesn't run plays. You need the right type of point guard and vet players to do that. DJ can't change pace, and the only players on the Raps brave enough to call for the ball in that scenario are JV, Gay, and DeRozan. Only Gay was on the floor. DJ was incapable of getting it to him...Also, why does Casey go 10 deep? That's ridiculous.

    Ahh...sorry for the tangent.
    Joe Johnson showed from year 3 (23 years) on he was special as a 4th option. In his 5th year he went to Atlanta and became the man. DD has been the man for the better part of 3 seasons.

    Dirk showed he was special from year 3 onwards at 22/23 years of age.

    Kobe came in to the league straight out of high school. From year 3 onwards (21 years) he showed he was pretty special (equivalent of DD year 2).

    I don't think BIllups is a superstar talent but he certainly showed incredible improvements through his mid to late 20's so I can live with that one.
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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    If DeMar got the calls that Harden, Durant and prime Wade got he would be easily putting 25 ppg efficiently a night.

    If Harden never got calls would he really be that great? yes cause he can handle the ball run offense and shoot the 3, but he wouldnt be such a scoring power house. for a 2 guard DeMar is really big to make up for non calls the guy is finishing through contact now.
    i agree with this. i watched the OKC vs jazz game and durant put up 42 points with over 22 of those from the FT line. otherwise he shot like shit (9/24) and 2/8 from downtown. the calls he was getting though were ridiculous! every single little touch while going up was being called.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    i agree with this. i watched the OKC vs jazz game and durant put up 42 points with over 22 of those from the FT line. otherwise he shot like shit (9/24) and 2/8 from downtown. the calls he was getting though were ridiculous! every single little touch while going up was being called.
    KD forces the refs to make the calls with his aggression attacking the rim. Players who settle for pull-up jumpers tend to not get the calls.

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    DeMar doesnt really settle for pull ups he has no choice after driving into the paint 6 consecutive possessions getting beaten on with no calls lots of players would just say fuck it and start taking pull ups can you really blame the guy?

    Raps play games and by Q2 DeMar's nose is bleeding yet theres no f/ts on his boxscore. Star treatment, if he gets it, the guy is a completely different player.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    DeMar doesnt really settle for pull ups he has no choice after driving into the paint 6 consecutive possessions getting beaten on with no calls lots of players would just say fuck it and start taking pull ups can you really blame the guy?

    Raps play games and by Q2 DeMar's nose is bleeding yet theres no f/ts on his boxscore. Star treatment, if he gets it, the guy is a completely different player.
    Yes, I can blame the guy. That's a slippery slope towards Vince Carter play. I thought LA guys were tough? You want the calls, go up strong looking to finish instead of looking for the call (something he's been guilty of the last few years). You get paid millions to play the game, so play it right.

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    KD forces the refs to make the calls with his aggression attacking the rim. Players who settle for pull-up jumpers tend to not get the calls.
    well i was just talking about those opening games for both players specifically.

    from what i saw, DD was just as aggressive to the rim in the boston game relative to durants performance, except DD got only one call. obviously we're talking super small sample size here but durants chart:


    vs derozan:


    obviously this is super small sample size with no real meaning. but hey i'm at home recovering from surgery so what else am i going to do?

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    well i was just talking about those opening games for both players specifically.

    from what i saw, DD was just as aggressive to the rim in the boston game relative to durants performance, except DD got only one call. obviously we're talking super small sample size here but durants chart:


    vs derozan:


    obviously this is super small sample size with no real meaning. but hey i'm at home recovering from surgery so what else am i going to do?
    Go over every Demar shot from his career and determine how many shots he has taken that are "poor decisions"

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Yes, I can blame the guy. That's a slippery slope towards Vince Carter play. I thought LA guys were tough? You want the calls, go up strong looking to finish instead of looking for the call (something he's been guilty of the last few years). You get paid millions to play the game, so play it right.
    You should probably let go of this obvious irrational hate of Demar's game. If you want the team to tank, that's fine. BUT don't pretend like you want us to start winning all of a sudden. BTW - check out my avatar.....what do you think? Is that going up strong and looking to finish or what??

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