REAL TALKS ...... its one game, we learn from our mistakes and hopefully so will coach (im still mad at him tho)
but yall need to straighten up and relax your selves
its not the end and were gonna go into Milwaukee like we fuckin own the place
#poundtherock <---- holdup, is that still our motto?
my only wish is that i die real, the truth hurts and those lies healleggothe littlest mamba<3
Watching the game now.. you can imagine my face when Daye was the first off the bench...
Also, what the hell kinda defense is this?
Looks like he's setting a screen. Honestly.
On people defending the pulling of Jonas.
1)Did removing him improve the Raptors D or their chances to win? I'd have to say no to both. While Horford scored some moves on him, as a team they played the p'n'r, and really all motion, totally terribly. It's not always, in fact it really isn't, Jonas' fault when he hedges to stop the PG and no one rotates to cover his man, not even to at least bump him on his roll. They were slow to rotate all night in just about every circumstance. So little of the defensive shittiness was actually on Jonas' shoulders, who apart from struggling with Horford on the p'n'r, played him as well as could be hoped 1-on-1, and also did a good job being a help defender for others. Horford wasn't slowed down by anyone else, and we totally lost all rim protection when he was sitting.
2) What was the most important thing, stated by both Casey and MU, going into the season? GROWTH. I don't know how sitting Jonas that much is good for his growth. He says some crap about Jonas being too slow, but that's totally complete BS. I mean, if Jonas is too slow for Horford, isn't Daye too skinny for Antic, Millsap, Brand and Horford? Atlanta didn't even go truly small for most of the game, but just because they put a 4 who can shoot out there, Casey decided he should go small. He thought it would help the team run shooters off the line maybe? So that they could go straight into the heart of the D with no interior presence?
Anyway, this team is not going to grow with Casey coaching them. He also threw all the backup PGs out there last night. Neither of which seemed like they were really what the team needed. We didn't need Buycks' speed or scoring game really. And while it would be nice to see if Stone could shut down Teague...Teague wasn't shooting that well, but he was getting others involved because of spotty team D. Shutting him down wasn't really the priority. Atlanta played well by building an inside-outside game around Horford, and Casey's moves failed to neutralize either aspect, and didn't exactly provide with great growth situations or workload.
*To add to taht, as mentioned in the RR quick reaction, it's also odd that in a game where Rudy may as well be literally crapping on the court (would probably throw the other team off more), Ross didn't get that many minutes.
**And back on JV. Everyone seems very focused on the Horford matchup. But I stress again: Atlanta barely played small. Toronto going with one big for long stretches made little, if any sense.
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Even basic PnR's are putting our defense all out of wack.
Here we see the start of a Teague-Horford PnR. Everyone's in position, with DeMar on Korver in the corner.
Teague drives and Lowry/Hansbrough double, causing him to swing to Antic. Hansbrough rotating to back to Horford and Amir stretching out to cover Korver is what should've happened here. Korver doesn't have the ability to beat guys off the dribble, so they can live with that switch. Instead, DeMar is left high and dry guarding both Antic and Korver.
What is the result? An OPEN corner J from arguably the best 3-pt shooter in the league.See how Hansbrough is the one closing out on Korver, even though he was all the way at the left block just a second earlier? Amir doesn't need to stay that attached to Horford; if he rotates correctly, Tyler will be there to matchup Big Al.
The defensive schemes really need to improve. Casey is supposedly a defensive-minded coach.. if this team can't even properly rotate on a PnR (from a team we're supposed to be competing with for a playoff spot), I'm not sure what direction we're heading.
Did anyone get the feeling that with about ten minutes left, demar just said "f%*# the analytics.....I'm just going to launch every 18 footer I see"? I can't decide if it's bad or good that he made a lot of them. It was fun to watch though.
This article says its all IMO.. or at least most of it.
About the only time the Raptors looked good against the Hawks was early on when superior length and athleticism was on display. They were protecting the rim, getting rebounds and asserting themselves. That said, Atlanta still had the game about even at the time and the Raptors tried another tact, which didn’t work at all, going smaller.There’s no other way to say it, Gay is an extremely frustrating player. All the talent in the world, but a basketball IQ that wanders off to get a coffee far too often during games. If Gay would simply aim to only take ideal shots (not fadeaways, not 1-on-1 jacks with hands in his face) and even more importantly, if he would look to set up his teammates more (especially Jonas Valanciunas) he would be an all-star and the Raptors would be quite a different team. He did look for the red hot DeMar DeRozan down the stretch and he did even throw an entry pass to Valanciunas early (one reader tweeted to me he has seen three entry passes thrown to Valanciunas in the first two games combined! That’s unacceptable), but he made a number of fundamentally bad calls. This is nothing new, anybody that watched Gay in Memphis had similar frustrations and criticisms. He makes life way more difficult on himself than he needs to.Back to Valanciunas, the so-called future of the Raptors. The way he is utilized doesn’t back up such grand talk. Valanciunas has a ways to go defensively, but he’s proven his offensive mettle everywhere he’s played. Give him the ball, he’ll be effective with it. He needs to get stronger and more assertive still in establishing position, but even without mastering that yet, he’s an efficient offensive player who needs to be a higher option both in the play calls and in the eyes of his teammates. There is no way Gay should be attempting 15 shots and Valanciunas just four in a half.click the link to read more:Again, the ball was sticking, creativity was lacking and 1-on-1 was the mentality of the day. Only one assists on 10 shots in the first quarter was the low point, but 15 assists vs. 12 turnovers overall isn’t going to cut it most nights. Teague had 12 assists (and just one turnover) by himself. At some point the Raptors are going to have to address the point guard position long-term.
the only thing missing is a serious critique of Casey even though he brings up criticisms in a round about way
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