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    Raps were +2 on glass

    104 pts

    49/44/83 shooting

    Defense!!!!

    Go team!
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    Quote brothersteve wrote: View Post
    Itís only three games into the regular season, but it is already obvious Raptors Head Coach Dwane Caseyís defense is back.
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    Yes, we have an identity. A long-2 jump shot identity.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Raps were +2 on glass

    104 pts

    49/44/83 shooting

    Defense!!!!

    Go team!
    Oh no we didn't stop the World Champions we must be the worst team in the league
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Oh no we didn't stop the World Champions we must be the worst team in the league
    They didn't stop the perennial 6th seed Hawks either.

    But they did manage to squeak out wins vs the Bucks starting a 2nd round rookie at PG with starter and backup out and the Celtics with a top 5 PG out (and we'll disregard the blatant tank).

    Go Raps!
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    Answering to the question, yes of course they do and even average pirate Ejike from Somali knows it:

    Small ball.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    They didn't stop the perennial 6th seed Hawks either.

    But they did manage to squeak out wins vs the Bucks starting a 2nd round rookie at PG with starter and backup out and the Celtics with a top 5 PG out (and we'll disregard the blatant tank).

    Go Raps!
    You beat the teams your suppose to beat.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    You beat the teams your suppose to beat.
    Yet the heat didn't. Same with Brooklyn. Chicago too.

    The problem is the teams Toronto are suppose to beat number about a 1/3 of leave then there are 5-6 they should be competitive with then there is half the league they should lose to by your standards.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Yet the heat didn't. Same with Brooklyn. Chicago too.

    The problem is the teams Toronto are suppose to beat number about a 1/3 of leave then there are 5-6 they should be competitive with then there is half the league they should lose to by your standards.

    #blowitupalreadymasai
    It's the NBA. Theses guys are professionals! Any team can be any team on one night. No team right now is a finish product either.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    You beat the teams your suppose to beat.
    I don't get what you're trying to say. Are you happy with just beating the tankers and the other lower seeds of the league? If that is the best you can do then why not support a tank in the hopes of getting more talent on the team? I think someone mentioned that we've lost to Miami 12 straight games now which is not a sign of a team being able to beat any team on any given night.

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    The Raptors definetely have an identity. All sorts of them.

    Outside Canada - their identity is irrelevance
    Inside Canada - their identity is mediocracy
    To the analyitics community - its treadmill
    To the optimistic fans - its just needs more time + potential
    To the good NBA teams - its +1 in the win column
    To the tanking teams - its thanks for not challenging me for a top pick

    They are kind of the Chimera of the NBA. Many different heads, but the body is always the same.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I don't get what you're trying to say. Are you happy with just beating the tankers and the other lower seeds of the league? If that is the best you can do then why not support a tank in the hopes of getting more talent on the team? I think someone mentioned that we've lost to Miami 12 straight games now which is not a sign of a team being able to beat any team on any given night.
    I can't support losing on purpose. I'm also not ok with waiting another half a decade to play in the playoffs.
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    What about the current situation? Losing without a purpose?
    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I can't support losing on purpose. I'm also not ok with waiting another half a decade to play in the playoffs.
    Players and coaches do not lose on purpose.

    I don't think you'll have to wait 5 years. A measly 2 should do it.

    However if they keep with this core then yes you will likely have to wait another 5 years.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    What about the current situation? Losing without a purpose?
    That should be the team motto (my Latin's rusty):

    Amittens sine proposio - Losing without a purpose.

    Your Toronto Raptors.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I can't support losing on purpose. I'm also not ok with waiting another half a decade to play in the playoffs.
    Nobody WANTS to support losing, but there aren't any other options other than playing sub .500 ball and getting swept in the first round if you stay this route...and that's the BEST case scenario.

    Look at Masai's track record for drafting late first round picks like Farried and Fournier. Give him some lottery picks and he can reshape this team pretty quickly.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    What about the current situation? Losing without a purpose?
    so business as usual?

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I can't support losing on purpose. I'm also not ok with waiting another half a decade to play in the playoffs.
    It's not losing on purpose if it's done for the purpose of building a championship team. Building a team where most of the assets are futures is still building something. Better than interchanging random parts and bad contracts and hoping for the best. Patience should be trait #1 of all Raptors fans (because honestly, what else have we had?)

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Players and coaches do not lose on purpose.

    I don't think you'll have to wait 5 years. A measly 2 should do it.

    However if they keep with this core then yes you will likely have to wait another 5 years.
    A measly 2 years? Yeah, right. To you know how bad we would have to be to have a shot at the top 5 chance at #1? We would have to trade Lowry, DD and Gay and take picks back. Than we have to hope we get lucky and actually stay in the top during lottery. Than we draft some kid. We won't make the playoffs next year cause the team will be too young. How our we suppose to attract free agents to put around these kids after having 7 consecutive non playoff appearance.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    A measly 2 years? Yeah, right. To you know how bad we would have to be to have a shot at the top 5 chance at #1? We would have to trade Lowry, DD and Gay and take picks back. Than we have to hope we get lucky and actually stay in the top during lottery. Than we draft some kid. We won't make the playoffs next year cause the team will be too young. How our we suppose to attract free agents to put around these kids after having 7 consecutive non playoff appearance.
    Jeez Louise man.

    This is like a dog chasing his tail - both of us.

    You absolutely nailed it by the way except you seem to think the Raptors are farther away from being really bad than anywhere near 'good'.

    Yes, they trade Lowry, DD, and Gay.

    Yes, they get picks.

    Yes, they go in to the draft needing luck. The reality is this year they only need to be the 6th or 7th worst team to get a great player.

    Yes, they use any other picks to draft solid players. Given the track record of Weltman and Masai, I think this is easily doable.

    Yes, you take those drafted players in 2014 and put with JV and Ross.

    Yes, you take 2015 drafted players and add them to the mix.

    Yes, you then go in to free agency touting the talent and potential of the roster combined with the value signings you had made over the previous 2 seasons.


    Let me ask you this: how are the Raptors suppose to attract free agents to join the current core when a) they have no cap space, or b) the players who got you to the playoffs are gone?

    Don't be so fickle as to think the youth is the only way to build a team. Those rookie contracts tied to players with potential have a lot of value in the new CBA.

    I guarantee 2015-16 will be a break out year for the Raptors. Guarantee it. It will be the 2009-10 of the OKC Thuner. Book it.


    Everyone throwing around Houston and Indiana should take a look at Golden State. Remember just a year and a half ago Raptors loss the coin toss for Harrison Barnes at 7. Look at the Warriors now. Amazing where talent in the middle of the lottery combined with solid coaching and great management can get you.
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