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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    I'm seriously curious if there is a stat for "passing", not assists, just actually stats showing how often a player passes the ball. I missed the first half, but the only times I saw Gay pass, was to Derozan (who defers to Gay way too much) or to a big at the top so he could get the ball back immediately. I thought Melo was a ball stopper, but Gay might be worse.

    Gay's line of the night reminds me a lot of the criticism we've made of Demar. Yeah, he scored 20 points, congrats, but it took 21 shots to get there. Demar, no better. 14 points on 16 shots and only 2 FTA. How about those "real game" stats that some love to use?

    At this point, Casey should bench Gay. He is playing selfishly on offence and the whole team is, terribly, deferring to him. Start Fields and play Ross off the bench.
    thats just assists. all the ball handling before the assist/shot is moot. in terms of rudy, we all know his playstyle, so his assist numbers would directly relate to what you're looking for.

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    thats just assists. all the ball handling before the assist/shot is moot.
    Actually, I have heard NBA commentators talk openly about the idea of the second assist in Basketball, as in Hockey, because often the best passes are the keen movement that set up the last pass. So no, I don't agree that the ball movement before an actual assist is moot, not if you're talking about whether its important or not. You're not I hope.

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    Quote phez wrote: View Post
    thats just assists. all the ball handling before the assist/shot is moot. in terms of rudy, we all know his playstyle, so his assist numbers would directly relate to what you're looking for.
    No it doesn't. Assists are specific. I'm looking for a generic count on the number of times that Gay physically passes the ball. Ball movement is important to an offence that isn't captured with assists.

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    Axel, I hear you bro... that total is VERY low. Gay is a black hole.

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    RR Zarar pic:


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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post
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    If you compared that to the shot charts of Gay, DeRozan and Lowry, I might cry... again!

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    From Wolstat:

    This franchise hasn’t won in Charlotte, home of the league’s worst team by miles over the past several years, since Dec. of 2010

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    Did anyone listen to Brady and Walker (Sportsnet 590) this morning? Here are 2 hockey guys who were even screaming at the TV for Casey to call a timeout on the last possession.

    Even the Associated Press (who is probably THE most neutral news source there is), referred to Casey's decision as "inexplicable". A news source that goes out of its way to NOT provide an opinion, just did at the expense of Dwane Casey.

    Precious stuff.
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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post
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    this killed me then i felt a wave of depression
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    this killed me then i felt a wave of depression
    It's like.. Every Raps fan should know about possible side effects from watching how our guys play.

    Very Common ( affects more than 1 watcher in 5 )

    Depression.
    Anger.

    Very rare ( affects less than 1 watcher in 100,000 )

    Heart Attack
    ...

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    No it doesn't. Assists are specific. I'm looking for a generic count on the number of times that Gay physically passes the ball. Ball movement is important to an offence that isn't captured with assists.
    With the power of player tracking, this is possible now.
    http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingP...&sortOrder=DES

    Gay is roughly 130th in the league with 30 passes per game. Other players of note are Durant with 34.8 (101st), DeRozan with 35, Amir with 40 and Lowry with 65 (8th in the league)

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    Quote Raptorsnz wrote: View Post
    With the power of player tracking, this is possible now.
    http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingP...&sortOrder=DES

    Gay is roughly 130th in the league with 30 passes per game. Other players of note are Durant with 34.8 (101st), DeRozan with 35, Amir with 40 and Lowry with 65 (8th in the league)
    Super, I looked there last night but I was on my iPhone so the tabs didn't come up. They haven't added in last night's game yet, but I'll totally be watching this as the season progresses (or at least until he's traded).

    Thanks for the nice find.

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    Rob Ford must fucking go. He's embarrassing whole Toronto.

    New video just showed up how he needs 10 mins to make sure someone is dead.



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    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

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    Toronto is an interesting city, that's for sure...
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    Yahoo! summed it all up nicely for us....
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    The firing squads are circling Dwane Casey in Toronto as it’s all-but official that he’s doing a terrible job managing the team’s rotations and playing time decisions. Take a gander through the Toronto papers and you will know what I mean. Last night the loser was (surprise) Jonas Valanciunas, who was benched for all of the fourth quarter after putting up 12 points and 10 boards in 28 minutes without any steals or blocks. It was Amir Johnson (13 points, 6-of-9 FGs, one three, seven boards, one steal) that got benched for all of the fourth quarter the last time out, and both of these guys should only be leaving the court on their terms.

    Of course, why play those guys when everybody can stand around and watch Rudy Gay (8-of-21 FGs, 20 points) and DeMar DeRozan (14 points, 5-of-16 FGs, two threes, three rebounds, three assists) pound the air out of the rock and hoist up bad shots.

    The clincher last night was when Casey elected not to foul down by two points and only a two-second differential on the game clock and the Bobcats’ 24-second clock. Gerald Henderson shot the ball at the end of the clock and the ball bounced off the rim as time expired. Between that and the mayor that admitted he only smokes crack when he’s hammered out of his mind it’s been a rough week for Toronto.

    Kyle Lowry (eight points, two threes, six assists) had to leave for X-rays on his chest after a nasty collision, but he says he’ll be ready to play on Friday against the Pacers.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Yahoo! summed it all up nicely for us....
    Makes you wonder if MU's seen everything fans & media have seen and, if so, how much longer he plans on waiting...

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Yahoo! summed it all up nicely for us....
    Bang on.
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    Another thing. By not fouling Henderson. 2 things could happen:

    1. Henderson makes the shot. Game over.
    2. Ball hits the rim. Ball popped out. Game over.

    Where is Casey's head at???

    Wouldn't be surprised if Casey makes the Shaqtin a Fool tonight! LOL
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