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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    Right but that's a NEW CONTRACT if he doesn't take the QO, so technically his rookie deal is only 4 years. That's what I'm saying.
    Technically that's true, but Valanciunas has no choice of where he plays for his first 5-7 years in the NBA. Without a QO being extended, the player becomes a fully Unrestricted Free Agent (I believe). He either accepts the QO (1 season), negotiates an extension with Toronto, or negotiates with another team (minimum 2 seasons), with Toronto able to match that team's offer.

    His second contract has limitations as to how much he can make, so it's really more of an extension of his first rookie-scale contract. Players don't have the opportunity to fully control their own destiny on a completely open market until after 5-7 years, when their second contract expires.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    But what you are saying is wrong unless you mean he will leave the NBA.

    His rookie deal will be 4 years plus qualifying deal.

    5 total

    1 done, plus 3 more, plus qualifying

    Or 1 done, 3 more, out of NBA
    it's actually 1 done, 3 more, new contract.

    So his rookie deal is 1+3=4

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Technically that's true, but Valanciunas has no choice of where he plays for his first 5-7 years in the NBA. Without a QO being extended, the player becomes a fully Unrestricted Free Agent (I believe). He either accepts the QO (1 season), negotiates an extension with Toronto, or negotiates with another team (minimum 2 seasons), with Toronto able to match that team's offer.

    His second contract has limitations as to how much he can make, so it's really more of an extension of his first rookie-scale contract. Players don't have the opportunity to fully control their own destiny on a completely open market until after 5-7 years, when their second contract expires.
    I don't disagree with that first paragraph. Well he does have a choice, but it's restricted by his team.

    All I'm saying is his rookie deal will be 4 years. And no it's not an extension of his rookie contract because he COULD go to another team. It's a NEW deal. Last I checked contracts don't just balloon from 5M to 15M (see Paul George), players get new deals.

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    it's actually 1 done, 3 more, new contract.

    So his rookie deal is 1+3=4
    Unless he signs the qualifying offer to become unrestricted for his 6th season.

    Which brings me back to the original point I made:
    JV leaving won't be an issue if he leaves after his rookie contract as OP asked (before thread merged) because:
    A) if he is he left the nba
    B) he will play out the qualifying offer to become UFA (which won't happen because he leaves tens of millions on the table),
    C) he signs his 4/5 year extension and he can leave as UFA in 2020 or 2021 if he chooses

    In the quest to prove a point you forgot the issue at hand it would appear to me.
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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    I don't disagree with that first paragraph. Well he does have a choice, but it's restricted by his team.

    All I'm saying is his rookie deal will be 4 years. And no it's not an extension of his rookie contract because he COULD go to another team. It's a NEW deal. Last I checked contracts don't just balloon from 5M to 15M (see Paul George), players get new deals.
    This is what spurred discussion:

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    Do you think JV will resign after not making the playoffs after 4 years?

    It's funny that JV fab boys are one in same as the tankers. People think that it's going to be as simple as drafting someone this year and than making the playoffs next season. It's not going to be that easy. If Lebron didn't make the playoffs his rookie year than these guys won't either. We're looking at least at a 3 year rebuilding process. That's only if we pick up a nice vet free agent who wants to play for a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 8 years. Get him at market value too lol. Back to my question. Do you think JV will resign after 4 years of no any post season?


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    What CRF and myself are saying is Toronto holds leverage after year 4.

    If he is not a raptor after year 4 it is because it is Toronto's choice or he left the NBA in which case Toronto will still hold his rights as long as they choose to issue QO
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    This is what spurred discussion:



    What CRF and myself are saying is Toronto holds leverage after year 4.

    If he is not a raptor after year 4 it is because it is Toronto's choice or he left the NBA in which case Toronto will still hold his rights as long as they choose to issue QO
    I'm fully aware of what spurred the discussion, I was just making it clear that you were wrong when you said his rookie contract is 5 years.

    Yeah we have JV locked up for 8-9 years (total) as long as we're willing to pay (9 would be if we give make him our "franchise" guy with the 5 year deal, which wouldn't be smart imo).

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    I'm fully aware of what spurred the discussion, I was just making it clear that you were wrong when you said his rookie contract is 5 years.

    Yeah we have JV locked up for 8-9 years (total) as long as we're willing to pay (9 would be if we give make him our "franchise" guy with the 5 year deal, which wouldn't be smart imo).
    His rookie deal would be 5 years if he played for the qualifying offer.

    That is already negotiated, it is in the CBA. The qualifying offer is part of the rookie deal.

    If the Raptors pull the offer or he signs an extension his rookie deal is 4 years.

    All this is kind of irrelevant. But I'm glad you feel the need to make clear I'm wrong.
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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    I'm fully aware of what spurred the discussion, I was just making it clear that you were wrong when you said his rookie contract is 5 years.

    Yeah we have JV locked up for 8-9 years (total) as long as we're willing to pay (9 would be if we give make him our "franchise" guy with the 5 year deal, which wouldn't be smart imo).
    At this point, you are nitpicking for no value. If you're not going to add to the discussion, then at least don't try to antagonize people.


    No way JV is going anywhere anytime soon unless we deem it, so to answer the question by Chr1s1anL; yes JV will resign, regardless of the playoff success. Better question, how many players don't resign at the end of their rookie deals? How many play out the QO to reach UFA status earlier? I'd say the number of top 20 picks who did this, is between 0-3 in the last 20 years.
    F*ck Brooklyn

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