Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 25

Thread: Raptors: best front court in the NBA within 2 years?

  1. #1
    Raptors Republic All-Star hateslosing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    New Brunswick
    Posts
    1,524
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Raptors: best front court in the NBA within 2 years?

    This post was inspired by the Amir Johnson article on the front page, written by Tim W.

    I think that we are on our way to having one of the most efficient front courts in the NBA: Amir continues to be an advanced stats monster and Valanciunas, while not the TS% beast he was last year, puts up a double double per 36and shoot over 50%.

    Defensively, Amir is a great and Val is starting to show some of that rim protector potential with sime very nice blocks and good foot work. He's still a work in progress but more and more you can see him becoming the player we all hope he will be.

    The Raptors front court hopes don't end there though: Tyler Hansbrough has been a revelation off the bench. He's 8'th in offensive rebounding and offensive rating and is actually providing some good scoring in the second unit just of his second hand points. He is just what the doctor ordered for our volume shooting team and I'll take him as our back up four everyday of the week.

    I think that this needs to be this franchises fous going forward and fucusing on creating an environment for our big amn to succeed is priority 1. Maybe we can start by getting an offensive system that focuses on post play...like maybe the triangle?

    Anyway, just more positive thoughts to get us through the year.
    Last edited by hateslosing; Mon Nov 18th, 2013 at 07:22 PM. Reason: spelling!
    "When Life gives you lemons, you clone those Lemons to make super lemons!"
    -Scudworth

  2. Like Puffer liked this post
  3. #2
    Raptors Republic Rookie Niagara Raptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Niagara Region
    Posts
    134
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    all good points but sorry to be a wet blanket we need players willing to pass JV the ball now and again (Im getting the sad/scary feeling this iso ball is rubbing off on JV, he doesn't get the ball so on the odd time he does he take a shot thinking he will never see it again in the quarter)

    and we need a coach willing to play him in the 4th. I get it when JV is playing bad and you want to win Casey but when he is doing well and you still sit him that's just infuriating
    Last edited by Niagara Raptor; Tue Dec 3rd, 2013 at 02:08 PM.

  4. Like Mapko liked this post
  5. #3
    Raptors Republic All-Star consmap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,021
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Niagara Raptor wrote: View Post
    all good points but sorry to be a wet blanket we need players willing to pass JV the ball now and again (Im getting the sad/scary feeling this iso ball is rubbing off on JV, he doesn't get the ball so on the odd time he dies he take a shot thinking he will never see it again in the quarter)

    and we need a coach willing to play him in the 4th. I get it when JV is playing bad and you want to win Casey but when he is doing well and you still sit him that's just infuriating
    I remember Casey used to do this with Ed Davis.
    The most frustrating and slightly hilarious example was when we were in OT against Miami and Amir (or JV?) fouled out. Casey was playing small ball again and he needed a big to replace the one that fouled out, so he brought in Aaron Gray. I remember the commentators taking shots at Casey and wondering why he would not put in Ed Davis instead. Lol

    Anyways, I'm sure that once the roster is reworked (because I highly doubt Masai will keep this one for the long haul) we'll see the front court get more involved in the offense compared to now.

  6. #4
    Raptors Republic Starter Dino4life's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    248
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Whoa, slow down. we'll get better every year but the best within 2 years ? not a chance. Other than that, yeah time to shift focus from the wings to the inside ASAP.

  7. #5
    Raptors Republic All-Star hateslosing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    New Brunswick
    Posts
    1,524
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Dino4life wrote: View Post
    Whoa, slow down. we'll get better every year but the best within 2 years ? not a chance. Other than that, yeah time to shift focus from the wings to the inside ASAP.
    Well, what are the top front courts in the league? Let's rank the top 5!!!!

    1. Houston-Dwight and...Asik?
    2. Clippers: Blake and Jordon
    3. Detroit: Monroe and Drummand
    4. Memphis: Marc Gasol and Randolph
    5. Minnosota: Love and Pekovich

    I may have missed a team but let's go ahead anyway. So, can Amir and Jonas be the equals of any pair on this list? I think that the answer is yes, though it is a stretch. If you believe the hype and look at the strides Val has already made, there is no reason he can't be as good as anyone on that list. He is bigger than a lot of them and already has better touch than most of them will ever get. Now Amir admittedly is likely not as good at putting up numbers like most of these guys but I would argue his is as good as most of the power forwards on this list in terms of his defense and rebounding. Add his great offensive rebounding ability and his summer 3 and you have a play of guys who actually be defense, and I think there is an argument to be had if him and Val will make the top 5.
    "When Life gives you lemons, you clone those Lemons to make super lemons!"
    -Scudworth

  8. #6
    Raptors Republic Veteran ceez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    6,144
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    You mean when we draft Randle?
    @jerboat

  9. Like Axel liked this post
  10. #7
    Raptors Republic Starter
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    892
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    An elite small forward alongside Jonas and Amir would be a top-notch frontcourt. That's all we need for the frontcourt, honestly.

    For the BACK court, though - we need a starting-quality point guard, and have to hope Ross develops into a starting SG (or DeMar does, but that seems less likely).

    And then we need a bench. Tyler is overperforming, good for him, but he's a good foul-drawing specialist. Raps fans get desperate looking for any upside and then mentally explode it. So we need

    - a sixth man, probably a three-point threat/scoring dynamo
    - a quality backup point guard
    - a quality backup centre
    - a third traditional big

    That's a LOT of stuff we need.

  11. #8
    Raptors Republic All-Star consmap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,021
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    An elite small forward alongside Jonas and Amir would be a top-notch frontcourt. That's all we need for the frontcourt, honestly.

    For the BACK court, though - we need a starting-quality point guard, and have to hope Ross develops into a starting SG (or DeMar does, but that seems less likely).

    And then we need a bench. Tyler is overperforming, good for him, but he's a good foul-drawing specialist. Raps fans get desperate looking for any upside and then mentally explode it. So we need

    - a sixth man, probably a three-point threat/scoring dynamo
    - a quality backup point guard
    - a quality backup centre
    - a third traditional big

    That's a LOT of stuff we need.
    You forgot something: a good coach.

  12. #9
    Raptors Republic Starter
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    892
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote consmap wrote: View Post
    You forgot something: a good coach.
    Coaches are easier to get then players are. You can fire a coach any old time and hire a new one any old time. Players get contracts and interact with the cap.

  13. #10
    Raptors Republic Superstar planetmars's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    2,880
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    Well, what are the top front courts in the league? Let's rank the top 5!!!!

    1. Houston-Dwight and...Asik?
    2. Clippers: Blake and Jordon
    3. Detroit: Monroe and Drummand
    4. Memphis: Marc Gasol and Randolph
    5. Minnosota: Love and Pekovich

    I may have missed a team but let's go ahead anyway. So, can Amir and Jonas be the equals of any pair on this list? I think that the answer is yes, though it is a stretch. If you believe the hype and look at the strides Val has already made, there is no reason he can't be as good as anyone on that list. He is bigger than a lot of them and already has better touch than most of them will ever get. Now Amir admittedly is likely not as good at putting up numbers like most of these guys but I would argue his is as good as most of the power forwards on this list in terms of his defense and rebounding. Add his great offensive rebounding ability and his summer 3 and you have a play of guys who actually be defense, and I think there is an argument to be had if him and Val will make the top 5.
    Don't forget:

    Atlanta: Horford/Millsap
    Indiana: Hibbert/West
    SA: Duncan/Splitter

    ... I'd take any of these over Drummond/Monroe or Jordan/Griffin

  14. Like Nilanka, Axel, OldSkoolCool liked this post
  15. #11
    Raptors Republic All-Star TRex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    2,359
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I love Amir but he's not a starting caliber PF in this league.
    Follow me on Twitter - @RRyan22

  16. Like ebrian, CalgaryRapsFan liked this post
  17. #12
    Raptors Republic Rookie
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    141
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    1. Gasol and Zbo
    2. Hibbert and West
    3. Horford and Millsap
    4. Duncan and Splitter
    5. Monroe and Drummond
    6. Aldridge and Lopez
    7. Blake and Jordan
    8. Gasol and Hill
    9. Bargs and Melo (yes, no joke!)
    10. Tristan and Varejao
    11. Kanter and Favours
    12. Jonas and Amir (they should be ranked higher but I ranked them lower due to Casey's stubbornness of going small ball all the time esp sitting jonas in the 4th quarter)

  18. #13
    Raptors Republic All-Star Axel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Nova Scotia
    Posts
    2,344
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    In 2 years, it is more likely that Favors and Kanter are the best front court in the league.

    M Gasol and Z-Bo will have declined.
    David West will have declined.
    Millsap might have moved to another team.
    Duncan should be retired.
    Monroe and Drummond is a possiblity, if they keep Monroe.
    R Lopez is a dud.
    Blake Griffin and Jordan are a possibility but very doubtful
    Lakers will have a new front court.
    Bargs will be benched and Melo might be in LA.
    Varajao will not be a starter.
    Amir might not be a starter either depending on how we draft.
    F*ck Brooklyn

  19. Like ebrian liked this post
  20. #14
    Raptors Republic Starter KeonClark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    624
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I love Amir but he's not a starting caliber PF in this league.
    I strongly disagree. He's not an all star caliber but he is without doubt at least a middle of the road starter.

    Sent from my GT-S7560M using Tapatalk
    Dwane Casey says: Pound the Gay!!

  21. #15
    Raptors Republic Veteran Nilanka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    5,720
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Jonas could be one half of a solid front court, but not next to Amir.

    I love Amir, but he's not in the "best of the best" category.
    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

  22. #16
    Raptors Republic All-Star Puffer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    2,361
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    This post was inspired by the Amir Johnson article on the front page, written by Tim W.

    I think that we are on our way to having one of the most efficient front courts in the NBA: Amir continues to be an advanced stats monster and Valanciunas, while not the TS% beast he was last year, puts up a double double per 36and shoot over 50%.

    Defensively, Amir is a great and Val is starting to show some of that rim protector potential with sime very nice blocks and good foot work. He's still a work in progress but more and more you can see him becoming the player we all hope he will be.

    The Raptors front court hopes don't end there though: Tyler Hansbrough has been a revelation off the bench. He's 8'th in offensive rebounding and offensive rating and is actually providing some good scoring in the second unit just of his second hand points. He is just what the doctor ordered for our volume shooting team and I'll take him as our back up four everyday of the week.

    I think that this needs to be this franchises fous going forward and fucusing on creating an environment for our big amn to succeed is priority 1. Maybe we can start by getting an offensive system that focuses on post play...like maybe the triangle?

    Anyway, just more positive thoughts to get us through the year.
    I'm good with JV, Amir and an extended Tyler going forward.

  23. #17
    Raptors Republic Rookie
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    141
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    In 2 years, it is more likely that Favors and Kanter are the best front court in the league.

    M Gasol and Z-Bo will have declined.
    David West will have declined.
    Millsap might have moved to another team.
    Duncan should be retired.
    Monroe and Drummond is a possiblity, if they keep Monroe.
    R Lopez is a dud.
    Blake Griffin and Jordan are a possibility but very doubtful
    Lakers will have a new front court.
    Bargs will be benched and Melo might be in LA.
    Varajao will not be a starter.
    Amir might not be a starter either depending on how we draft.
    Oh sorry I interpreted the question wrongly. I thought the question meant best frontcourt in the latest 2 years so I meant 2 years ago up to now. LOL.
    I would pick Monroe and Drummond though over Kanter and Favours if detroit keeps monroe.

    It could have been Jonas and Drummond if Colangelo drafted wisely.

  24. #18
    Raptors Republic All-Star consmap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,021
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I love Amir but he's not a starting caliber PF in this league.
    Amir may not be an All Star PF but he is still serviceable as a solid starter. Is there room for improvement at the PF position with Amir starting? Sure, but at the same time if Amir is starting at PF upgrading the position shouldn't be a large concern for the team. A team won't gain or lose a lot of anything with Amir as a starter.

  25. Like Mapko liked this post
  26. #19
    Raptors Republic Starter
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Ancaster, Ont (Via Serbia)
    Posts
    268
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote consmap wrote: View Post
    Amir may not be an All Star PF but he is still serviceable as a solid starter. Is there room for improvement at the PF position with Amir starting? Sure, but at the same time if Amir is starting at PF upgrading the position shouldn't be a large concern for the team. A team won't gain or lose a lot of anything with Amir as a starter.
    Bingo!!
    I think our need to upgrade should be a lot more pressing at 1,2,3 (and a backup 5). Or at least 1 of SG or SF.
    Quite frankly extending Kyle at 4 yrs and 9-11 mil, or Gay 4 years at say 13-15 mil scares me.

  27. #20
    Raptors Republic All-Star ezz_bee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Kigali, Rwanda
    Posts
    1,576
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I L O V E Amir, and I DO think he's a slightly above average PF, and I think from a TEAM building philosophy he's a great fit in pretty much any starting line-up; but half of the best frontcourt in the league, he is not. And that's OKAY! If we draft a Superstar PF he can slide in the 3rd big off the bench. But if we draft a Superstar at 1-2-3 he's still going to be a useful player and help those guys out. Can you win a championship with Amir as your starting PF, I think you can.

    I would really like Amir to stay a Raptor, BUT if we have to lose him in order to get ELITE talent then you do it, but if you can avoid it, you do.
    "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •