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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I don't think Rudy is a bad guy.

    I think his heart is in the right place.

    It is just hilarious that the guy who is one of the worst players in efficiency stats in the league on the offensive side of the ball is taking stats away from the locker room.

    This would have been so much cooler to hear about if, say, Amir or JV or Hansbrough started the initiative.

    This is like the office drunk saying all staff socials are to be dry after the Christmas party where he groped 3 co-worked, cursed out a few more, and vomited all over the coat closet.
    Sounds like your office parties are more fun than mine.

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    Not just the toronto sun now...it's a top story on NBA.com

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    This story is on NBA.com now as well, on the Top Stories feed on the main page.

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/1...ov-26/#raptors

    I have no issue with banning the stat sheets, I really have no idea how they benefit players or how the absence of the stat sheet may hinder a player, and for me that's not the issue here. The issue for me is that Rudy Gay has that much influence and power in the locker room. The issue is that Rudy Gay is the "leader" of this team. This, to me, is a major problem, and is indicative of how things have been done in this organization for some time. Bring in a guy that supposedly has a lot of talent and give him the keys to the organization. The most talented guy isn't necessarily the best leader. I don't know who the best leader for this team would be, but I am pretty confident in my opinion that it isn't Rudy. How on earth does Rudy get the authority to ban stat sheets anyway? Insanity IMO. A more team oriented player needs to 'nip this in the bud'. If this is indicative of Rudy (and the team) turning the corner to a more team oriented system, then so be it...but I am not buying it.

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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Not just the toronto sun now...it's a top story on NBA.com
    and people complain that we don't get enough coverage in the US, lol.

    I would pay money to see Charles Barkley discuss this story on live TV.

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    Quote OldSchool wrote: View Post
    Totally agree. No disrespect to you isaacthompson and nothing personal but this site has way too many couch-potato coaches who feel as if they know what goes on behind the scenes and in the dressing room, and they know way more than the coaching staff and personnel. The negativity gets tiring after a while...but I guess if theres a place to vent this would be that place
    Ehhh. I have no idea what goes within management, I'm just here to speculate. No harm done.
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    In a way it's good but also bad. Good as in they won't be focused on individual success but rather the success of the team winning. Bad because looking at the score sheet could help the players understand where they did bad.

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    Quote OldSchool wrote: View Post
    Totally agree. No disrespect to you isaacthompson and nothing personal but this site has way too many couch-potato coaches who feel as if they know what goes on behind the scenes and in the dressing room, and they know way more than the coaching staff and personnel.
    Hahaha - did you just look up the dictionary definition of "fan"?

    Shooting the sh*t like this is what being a fan is all about. Being an armchair quarterback is an essential part of the process. The important part is the context: Of course we're not there. Of course we're not in the locker room. Of course some of these players, coaches, and managers have 1000 times the experience and knowledge we have. We know that. But it doesn't stop you from armchair quarterbacking, because as a paying fan who's the reason all these guys have jobs, that's your role.

    I don't believe in mindlessly cheering for mediocre franchises. There is a lot of negativity on these boards these days, but if you stop and realize we're talking about a sub .500 team that is bottom 3 in a 30 team league over the last 20 years - well, that's a fair indicator of the context and, as far as I'm concerned, a pretty justifiable reason for frustrating people who shell out hundreds of bucks every year to support this club.

    Everybody's still a fan - half the stuff on here (especially this thread) is basically tongue-in-cheek. I'm glad there's a conversation and fun to be had whether this team is winning or losing.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I don't think Rudy is a bad guy.

    I think his heart is in the right place.

    It is just hilarious that the guy who is one of the worst players in efficiency stats in the league on the offensive side of the ball is taking stats away from the locker room.

    This would have been so much cooler to hear about if, say, Amir or JV or Hansbrough started the initiative.

    This is like the office drunk saying all staff socials are to be dry after the Christmas party where he groped 3 co-worked, cursed out a few more, and vomited all over the coat closet.
    Just a little devil's advocate - would we then be asking if that was an indictment of Rudy (or others), and Amir or whoever felt the team needed it because certain individuals were to concerned with stats?

    To be blunt this all seems sort of unnecessary and bordering on ridiculous. There really should be no reason to not give a player stats after the game, particularily if they are or could be helpful stats. Simply put, if a player is to concerned about stats, get rid of them.
    But I guess you can't get around real questions that are raised when a player whose game isn't stats friendly, and who said he ignores stats, then goes about trying to block access to stats (whether for a good reason or not).

    What we say and do always has consequences, just sometimes those consequences are felt in the most peculiar of ways.

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    Jokes aside, the only serious criticism I have from this is that it seems like one more indicator that Rudy isn't very teachable or willing to learn. Stats can be a distraction; they're also a fantastic teaching tool. LeBron looked at his stats and totally redeveloped his game around increasing his scoring efficiency - he focused on improving his 3, cutting down on long twos, and developing a post game.

    Rudy hears a lot about his scoring inefficiency and says "You know what guys? We should just stop looking at post-game stat handouts - it's just a distraction." We're all speculating, but can you honestly dismiss that as *just* a misguided good guy without connecting it to the deeper issue of Rudy's apparent lack of team awareness and his inability to develop as a player over the length of his career?

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    I mean seriously,
    Last edited by RandomGuy; Wed Nov 27th, 2013 at 04:34 AM.
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    In a way it's good but also bad. Good as in they won't be focused on individual success but rather the success of the team winning. Bad because looking at the score sheet could help the players understand where they did bad.
    Yes, cause players have no other means to find out how many points they scored. Without getting that score sheet after the game, they will never know....

    This whole thing is just silly. And coming from Gay, the most selfish Raptor since Mike James, it's hilarious, too.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Yes, cause players have no other means to find out how many points they scored. Without getting that score sheet after the game, they will never know....

    This whole thing is just silly. And coming from Gay, the most selfish Raptor since Mike James, it's hilarious, too.
    It does seem to be along the lines of not keeping score at kids' sporting events, allegedly in the interest of fair play and sportsmanship... you go up to any kid after the game and they sure as shit know which team 'won'.

    Do you think JV & Amir need stat sheets to realize that Gay & DeRozan are jacking up an inordinate amount of shots, while scoring at a sub-500 rate? I think they know that from running up and down the court while barely being included in the offense.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    It does seem to be along the lines of not keeping score at kids' sporting events, allegedly in the interest of fair play and sportsmanship... you go up to any kid after the game and they sure as shit know which team 'won'.

    Do you think JV & Amir need stat sheets to realize that Gay & DeRozan are jacking up an inordinate amount of shots, while scoring at a sub-500 rate? I think they know that from running up and down the court while barely being included in the offense.
    Just going to play devil's advocate here but...

    Jonas' true shooting percentage (51.0%) is LOWER than DeRozan's (51.2%) and he's a low-volume center while DD is a high-volume guard.

    That's all.

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    For all we know he might be saying they should be banned because too many players were celebrating good performances after losses in the dressing room. Or he noticed people were too obsessed with talking about their numbers than talking about plays in the game afterwards, or maybe he thinks it's a good way to not let the big numbers affect Demar's game/drive.

    Who knows, I actually think it's a good move to ban them in the dressing room after the game, but as people have noted it seems like too big of a coincidence for it to come now.

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    Just going to play devil's advocate here but...

    Jonas' true shooting percentage (51.0%) is LOWER than DeRozan's (51.2%) and he's a low-volume center while DD is a high-volume guard.

    That's all.
    .................................................. ....*head explodes*

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    Banning stats...not good

    Here's a great example

    Dwayne Wade and LBJ had a stat efficiency contest last year and that friendly competition to try and be the most efficient player led to the whole team being better.

    GTFO Gay...

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    Just going to play devil's advocate here but...

    Jonas' true shooting percentage (51.0%) is LOWER than DeRozan's (51.2%) and he's a low-volume center while DD is a high-volume guard.

    That's all.
    And last year it was 62%. Over 62 games.

    So unless he's somehow become significantly worse over the summer, I'm going blame the drop on either the small sample size, or the fact that he seems much less comfortable in the offence, possibly because he isn't regularly involved.

    To wit: his TS% this year in the first quarter, which is the only time that they make a point of getting him the ball consistently, is 56.7%. Counter that with the fourth quarter, where he gets about 60% of the PT that he gets in the first quarter, but only 35% of the FGAs, and his TS% drops to 37%.

    They sure as hell won't be seeing these numbers in the locker room.

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Banning stats...not good

    Here's a great example

    Dwayne Wade and LBJ had a stat efficiency contest last year and that friendly competition to try and be the most efficient player led to the whole team being better.

    GTFO Gay...
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    lmao @ the hissy fit some are having over this. Gay isn't "banning" players from looking at stats. After they leave the dressing room, they have a minimum of 20 hours (when not b2b games) between games to study numbers all they want. It's about encouraging the immediate focus after games on team stuff, not individual stats. Why anyone finds that something to criticize says a lot more about the whiner than Gay.

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    lmao @ the hissy fit some are having over this. Gay isn't "banning" players from looking at stats. After they leave the dressing room, they have a minimum of 20 hours (when not b2b games) between games to study numbers all they want. It's about encouraging the immediate focus after games on team stuff, not individual stats. Why anyone finds that something to criticize says a lot more about the whiner than Gay.
    Hands up, anyone who's having a hissy fit. Me, I think his Rob Ford-ian lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

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