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Thread: The Rudy & DeMar mid-range jumper watch

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    Default The Rudy & DeMar mid-range jumper watch

    I'm gonna use this thread to keep track of Rudy and DD's shot selection. It wasn't an auspicious start to the season, with the two combining to take 22 shots from mid-range, and only making 7, including combining to go 3-9 in a very close 4th quarter.

    DeMar was 2-10, Rudy was 5-12. We're not gonna win a lot of games taking that many mid-range jumpers, especially considering how many of them were contested.

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    Not just contested, but often times will lots of time (12+) on the shot clock.

    Perfect example, very early in the game last night. Down 9-4 to Boston. Crowd is kinda out of it cause the slow start. Rudy gets the ball on the wing with about 15-16 on the shot clock. Dribbles for a couple of seconds then pulls up for a well contested (good D by Wallace) 18 footer with 13 seconds on the clock still. Very poor shot choice given the situation. You need to give a reason for the crowd to get excited again. Don't think VC era jump shots are the way.

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    Shot selection was poor all around last night, but Rudy and DeMar seemed to be the biggest culprits.
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    Rudy went "That guy Rudy" though he hit some ridiculous long range shots last night anyone see Bill Simmons shot chart for Rudy? everything was white-green.... and he shoots from anywhere.

    the opening night was really a lapse in judgment. Heres hoping they tighten up against stiffer competition come Friday.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Rudy went "That guy Rudy" though he hit some ridiculous long range shots last night anyone see Bill Simmons shot chart for Rudy? everything was white-green.... and he shoots from anywhere.

    the opening night was really a lapse in judgment. Heres hoping they tighten up against stiffer competition come Friday.
    How do you lose focus on Day 1 against a team that is openly trying to tank?

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    How do you lose focus on Day 1 against a team that is openly trying to tank?
    I think it was day 1 jitters. It happens. LAC had it.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    I think it was day 1 jitters. It happens. LAC had it.
    Clippers playing the Lakers in the Battle of LA with many new players and a new coach is much more acceptable than a guy who's been on this team and with this coach for years against probably the 4th worst team in the NBA.

    You can't be a superstar if you don't have the mental toughness.

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    LAL suck no excuse they blew that game miserably. Not true Blake griffin is a superstar and he isnt mentally tough, and arguably has less game than DeRozan.

    Typical Raptors fan ish to see some negatives blow up and say f it season is lost I hate pessimism.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    LAL suck no excuse they blew that game miserably. Not true Blake griffin is a superstar and he isnt mentally tough, and arguably has less game than DeRozan.

    Typical Raptors fan ish to see some negatives blow up and say f it season is lost I hate pessimism.
    haha, I've been saying blow it up since the trade deadline of last season, so no, last night didn't change anything for me.

    Demar was playing at home, with the same roster and coach as last season, against a terrible team. He got jitters why?

    Whether you hate pessimism or realism or gummi bears is all completely irrelevant. The team is flawed.

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    They beat the clippers, so, meh.

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    The defending world champs also lost to what may reasonably be called the worst team in the league.

    Demar specifically had an awful game, no doubt about that, but after 7 pre-season games of great decision making, I'll reserve further judgement about his play this season.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Rudy went "That guy Rudy" though he hit some ridiculous long range shots last night anyone see Bill Simmons shot chart for Rudy? everything was white-green.... and he shoots from anywhere.

    the opening night was really a lapse in judgment. Heres hoping they tighten up against stiffer competition come Friday.
    LOL lapse in judgement!?! He's been playing this way his entire career!

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    Quote tkfu wrote: View Post
    I'm gonna use this thread to keep track of Rudy and DD's shot selection. It wasn't an auspicious start to the season, with the two combining to take 22 shots from mid-range, and only making 7, including combining to go 3-9 in a very close 4th quarter.

    DeMar was 2-10, Rudy was 5-12. We're not gonna win a lot of games taking that many mid-range jumpers, especially considering how many of them were contested.
    Feel like this is a bit off. I count 6 bad shots on his shot chart. To me those are shots that are deeper than 15 ft, because taking a 12-15 footer is not necessarily a bad shot. And he took a couple around the FT line area, and one on the base line, both that were closer than the "long 2" range. So I wouldn't count the 3 in closer areas, and stick with 6 bad long 2s, where he still abysmally only hit 1 shot...out of 19 total shots, 7 of which were attacking the basket. So for DeMar, he had 10 shots about 15ft and in, and 3 attempts from deep, so 6 bad shots (distance-wise) out of 19 ain't that bad.

    Rudy, on the other hand, was 5/12 if you, again, count the closer midrange area (where he likes to take that baseline fade, which looks like a bad shot but he tends to hit it better than a wide open long 2), but if you take that out like with DeMar, he had 9 shots in the long 2 range, and only hit 3. He also only had 4 shots attacking the basket out of 18. So 6 out of 18 were 15 ft and in, and the rest were all long shots.

    Demar: http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart...layerID=201942
    Rudy: http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart...layerID=200752
    Last edited by white men can't jump; Thu Oct 31st, 2013 at 12:52 PM.

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    Bad shots are also those that come early in the clock, and are heavily defended (regardless of distance from the basket).
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Bad shots are also those that come early in the clock, and are heavily defended (regardless of distance from the basket).
    Yes, but this thread seems to focus on distance. Distance-wise, I really only count the 16-23 ft range as truly bad. Those are almost never something you could call a good shot.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Bad shots are also those that come early in the clock, and are heavily defended (regardless of distance from the basket).
    Settling for jumpers is still a problem though. While mid range jumpers aren't necessarily bad shots based on distance alone, if it means for-going attacking the rim, getting to the foul line and pressuring the Defence, then they are bad decisions.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Settling for jumpers is still a problem though. While mid range jumpers aren't necessarily bad shots based on distance alone, if it means for-going attacking the rim, getting to the foul line and pressuring the Defence, then they are bad decisions.
    Agreed.

    The number of times I shook my head at the shot-selection last night (especially in the 2nd half) was plentiful. And the whole team was guilty of it.
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    It's a little discouraging to see this team playing the same type of offense as it did last year. There were times when it looked like ball and player movement would dominate the offensive attack, only to give way to relying on long jumpers with a healthy lead, which subsequently allowed the Celts back in it. If this team continues to play that way I think it's safe to say we will get a similar result as last season. Demar needs to play with his back to the basket more, Lowry needs to P'n'R more, JV needs to fight for better position in the post, and if Amir continues to shoot 3's, boy he had better hit them at a good percentage. The rebounding was great, but shouldn't get too excited about that considering Boston's lineup. Overall the defense wasn't that great either. there didn't seem to be very much emotion from the guys either. Great to get a win, but that type of play is gonna get you a loss against most teams on most nights in this league.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Bad shots are also those that come early in the clock, and are heavily defended (regardless of distance from the basket).
    There is a tipping point distance though - I remember seeing it in a Goldsberry chart last year. It's something like 4 feet away from the basket. After that, there's a huge dropoff in percentage, which then continues to slowly decline as distance increases. The point of it was, the difference in difficulty between a long two and a shot that's, say, seven feet from the basket isn't as big as you'd think.

    The key, as Nilanka mentioned, is whether or not the shot's being defended.

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    ...the difference in difficulty between a long two and a shot that's, say, seven feet from the basket isn't as big as you'd think....
    Now I understand why my shooting % sucks. Gotta move in from 7 feet.

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