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Thread: Potential trade destinations for Lowry: Dec.12 - NY a match?

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    Masai's Journal day 1:

    Dear Diary,

    Took Kyle for lunch today. He said it was the best burger he ever had. Pretty sure he's staying. Will update


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    Quote e_wheazhy_ wrote: View Post
    Masai's Journal day 1:

    Dear Diary,

    Took Kyle for lunch today. He said it was the best burger he ever had. Pretty sure he's staying. Will update


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    Quote serbiantiger8 wrote: View Post
    I feel that while Lowry is a great player, there isn't really too many teams that are in need of a point guard so much that they're willing to dish out 35 mill plus for him. I really think we could resign him and have him as our point guard of the future, unless we get Exum or Smart in the draft. I think a contract of 32 mill over 4 years plus incentives and bonuses, is pretty fair. I'd spread it out for 8 mill for the first 2 years, 8.5 for third year, and a 7.5 mill player option for the last year.
    Yeah thats a fair deal if lowry takes it
    He's 2 years away from being 2 years away, but his wingspan is already here .

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Um... does anyone here think Kyle Lowry has ANY intention of re-signing in Toronto?

    i don't think he does.
    Especially being shopped like he has been

    He's a goner one way or another
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    Honestly, Lowry's gone after this season if we don't move him. He'll be the premier point guard available in a year where there won't be a lot of point guards available on the free market (the next biggest name is probably Ramon Sessions) and where there will be quite a few teams looking for a serious upgrade at PG: the Knicks are the obvious candidate, but also consider the Pistons, the Bucks, and possibly the Magic (Oladipo will get moved back to SG and the Magic might not get Marcus Smart like they hope to do).

    One of these teams will find a way to pay him $9-10m a year for three or four years and we shouldn't consider matching it because Lowry has never been consistent as a non-contract player - and frankly even at his best he's probably not a $10m player. He, like most of the Raptors, is a good second/third option.

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    I think Lowry would stay just to be a starting PG in the league. Especially if these guys make the playoffs and make noise.


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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I think Lowry would stay just to be a starting PG in the league.
    For two years in a row it's been made clear to him he's not really desired by the Raptors (getting demoted to bench in year one, being shopped in year two). I think Lowry would be crazy to stay if he wants to start in this league.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    For two years in a row it's been made clear to him he's not really desired by the Raptors (getting demoted to bench in year one, being shopped in year two). I think Lowry would be crazy to stay if he wants to start in this league.
    Where is he getting another opportunity to start though?


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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Where is he getting another opportunity to start though?


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    if another team throws money at him that the raptors wouldn't beat then he would be pretty much guaranteed to start there. if he takes less money than he is worth it won't be to the raptors. it will be to a team ready to win.

    i see lowry as gone by trade deadline, packaged at the draft(with a promise to sign where he goes) or sign and traded in the offseason.

    masai stated in several interviews that gay is gone because of contract uncertainty and how it impedes planning. that sounds a lot like lowrys' situation as well.
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    Lowry is most likely gone at the deadline or earlier. MU is not as dumb as BC he's not gonna let him walk for nothing at the season's end

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    What does he want in his career at this point? In no order:

    1) Be a starter
    2) Play for a team that's poised for a playoff run
    3) Get a great paycheque

    Can any team offer him all three? Teams that are poised to go deep in the playoffs would either want him as a backup, or want him to take a pay cut to fit him into their payroll. Teams that can offer him a big paycheque and a starting job are probably worse than Toronto in terms of the standings.

    Toronto can offer him a starting position, a modest raise, and on a team that's potentially going to be top 6 in the east for the next while, as long as he continues to produce. That's a solid case for him to stay, should he make it past the trade deadline here. It'll depend on how he prioritizes those values. Does familiarity play into his decision? How about loyalty, something we heard was an important concept to Kyle when he came to Toronto? Almost certainly lower factors than what the three things listed above, but things that may have an impact (in the case of loyalty, that impact could be positive or negative, depending on how seriously he takes attempts to trade him).

    I'm all for trading him if there's an offer that returns a solid first-round pick (and, ideally, a prospect as well). But if we go to the offseason, I think Ujiri can retain him and then worry about trading him later.
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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    What does he want in his career at this point? In no order:

    1) Be a starter
    2) Play for a team that's poised for a playoff run
    3) Get a great paycheque

    Can any team offer him all three?
    Detroit. Lots of room under the cap with Stuckey/Villaneuva's deals ending, and expect them to move Monroe at some point for asset accumulation. Move Jennings to SG and your starting line becomes Lowry/Jennings/KCP/Smith/Drummond. If they bid for Rudy Gay (and they likely will make a move there too; he's probably going to call in his option to get a fresh payday while his value is still good) then the Pistons suddenly look very deep with KCP, Billups, Datome and Siva as capable backups.

    Possibly also the Knicks if Stat retires (quite possible considering he still gets that final twenty million) or if they decide to try a sign-and-trade.

    And there's always Orlando, who will be stuffed to the brim with good young players who need a veteran PG to kickstart them into playoff contention and who have lots of money and cap space to throw around, and who have a history of writing needlessly large cheques...

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I think Lowry would stay just to be a starting PG in the league. Especially if these guys make the playoffs and make noise.


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    Thoughts from Eric Koreen:

    That brings us to Lowry’s current value, which is where it gets complicated. You can argue whether or not context dictated that the Raptors should have given up a first-rounder for Lowry or whether the Knicks should have caved and given the Raptors a future first-rounder to obtain Lowry two weeks ago. When strictly considering Lowry’s talent, he is worth that price. As he heads toward unrestricted free agency, another type of price has to be assessed, as well. Point guards Brandon Jennings and Jeff Teague signed deals worth US$8-million annually as restricted free agents this past off-season. While Lowry’s age — he will be 28 in March — and his history of struggling to co-operate with coaches are mitigating factors, he is probably worth at least that on the open market.

    If the Raptors intend to be good, he is worth that price. If they do not, Masai Ujiri should let him walk. If a team decides to offer up a juicy draft pick for him now, Ujiri probably will jump on the offer. But a Lowry trade would not be like the Gay or Andrea Bargnani trades. Lowry is a productive player, and he fits here.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I'd rather be a bench PG for Golden State than a starting PG here.
    No disrespect to you, but that is not the mentality of a competitor. Maybe a guy whose just in it for the money or at the end of his career, but you can see how badly K-Lo wants to compete every time he's on the floor. I think a starting role is something he would have a hard time passing up.

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    I'd be equally happy if he resigns here or were flipped for Barnes.
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    The reason why I can't see golden state trading Barnes for Lowry is because they have no way of retaining Kyle beyond this season unless they want to go deep into luxury tax and pay their backup pg 8m, which is almost as much as curry makes.

    People need to slow down on that fantasy a bit.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    No disrespect to you, but that is not the mentality of a competitor. Maybe a guy whose just in it for the money or at the end of his career, but you can see how badly K-Lo wants to compete every time he's on the floor. I think a starting role is something he would have a hard time passing up.
    Who says he can't be a competitor on a better team? Competing by definition means to do whatever it takes to win. I think whatever contribution he makes on a better team will be more appreciated then what he does here, especially if said team is making a deep playoff run.
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