Anyways, i've said it before and i'll say it again. I'd still trade him in a heartbeat. I know a lot of people are having a good time with this winning thing, so am i, but i just have a really bad feeling about lowry walking. He's given NO indication of wanting to be apart of the team. He's not even waffling about "wanting to be on the team but we'll see what happens..." like Bosh did when everyone in toronto not named Colangelo knew he was going to walk. Lowry certainly hasn't quit the way Bosh or Vince did when they knew there time was about to end, but i think that's how he's wired. Which is a good thing! But at the same time, when he gives very roundabout answers to if he'd like to resign here it's a big red flag to me. A gigantic, waving red flag.
Maybe he's said something to MU personally, though? It doesn't seem like MU to take a guy with increasing value off the trade block, but then again since when do we really know what MU's up to?
Make no mistake, if he wants to stay here i'm all for it. I just don't have any proof that he does. I've got this big blinking red light in the back of my head that says "CONTRACT YEAR" whenever i think of it and it makes me incredibly wary.
And don't give me that "winning cures all!" garbage.
Obviously it could backfire for Toronto, but they also don't have the option of keeping him cheap, or the option of matching any offers. It's probably less likely Lowry gets offered double what Toronto would offer him, but it is fully possibly a team offers him enough over it that he doesn't want to accept the handshake agreement they had. It's not ideal, but it also creates some good faith, which may also help facilitate a sign and trade as long as Toronto doesn't get all whiny and upset like Cleveland did. I can't really fault Boozer...we're not talking 3 or 4 or even 15 million. Utah offered him 31 million more than Cleveland did. If someone offered you double your previous offer, would you really reject it for the honour of a handshake?
Woj - Golden State is chasing down a multi-team deal to bolster its guard depth. Kyle Lowry prominently involved.
jk they traded for crawford and brooks
Yep, officially take GS out of the Lowry sweepstakes.
Love how GS is claiming they turned down a Lowry trade because of locker room concerns. More like Toronto turned it down because they weren't offering Barnes and they have literally nothing else to offer. Just look at the Celtics trade return. Joel Anthony and some second round picks. I'd rather keep Lowry than take that garbage.
I make up excuses when i can't afford things too
If right now NY called up Ujiri and offered Shumpert, Hardaway Jr. and a 1st round pick, would you want MU to take the deal?
I don't think Lowry is traded this season. I'm not a GM so this is all 100% opinion based. Look through the league. Who has assets to throw away on a player that may or may not return next season?
When looking at teams with injured PGs:
Boston has Rondo back.
Brooklyn has Williams back.
Chicago has lost Rose but the Bulls are just $500k below luxury tax and don't have the required contracts to take on Lowry without going in to tax.
Houston did fine without Beverly and now he is back.
Clippers - doing fine without Paul, limited assets to make numbers work, no picks to trade.
Miami - Chalmers is back, no pick to trade, no assets to make numbers work.
New Orleans are likely to tank like no other team has done since Golden State (injuries have given them no choice).
OKC - doing fine without Westbrook
Phoenix are going to have Bledsoe back, tough to make numbers work without 3rd team or more coming from Raptors.
Then look at playoff bubble teams:
Charlotte has Walker who will be back soon.
Detroit has Jennings - would Raps want him? I hope not.
Cleveland - Irving/Jack
Washington - Wall
Memphis - Conley
Denver - Lawson
Atlanta - Teague with Mack doing well as backup and Schroder as long term prospect
Then there are bad/tank teams with no hope outside of ping pong balls:
Then there are the teams who are at bottom of standings with PG set:
Utah - Burke
Sacramento - Thomas
Then there are teams at the top or firmly in playoffs who are set:
So who does that leave?
Minnesota: connection with Adelman, starter who does not play in the 4th quarter.... but no picks and limited assets in trade. What does that do for Toronto?
New York: Dolan put the kibosh on that. Maybe things change as they sit 10 games under .500 at half way point of season?
LA Lakers. LA Lakers. LA Lakers. LA Lakers. But not in season.
They are going to be a prime sign and trade destination for Lowry. Why?
1) they are looking to get back to winning next year. You think Kobe wants to play out last 2 years without a chance to win?
2) Perfect trade mate in Toronto with Nash (not because of passport but because of $9.7M contract i.e. about what Lowry would likely make). Lakers with Lowry around $9M and Kobe at $23M have about $30M for free agency. Deng, big offer to Monroe.... just throwing out possibilities.
3) What player wouldn't want to play for Lakers? What PG wouldn't want to play for D'Antoni?
4) Lakers pick. They are likely to get high draft pick this season. High draft picks take up cap space and don't always contribute to winning immediately. Lakers will be in win now mode. So S&T Lowry for Nash with Lakers pick going to Raptors and some 2nd round picks going to LA (low cap hold, lots of flexibility in signing).
5) Lakers rumoured to have lots of interest a couple of years ago when Gasol to Houston was speculated. At that time supposedly Houston refused to include Lowry in deal which was hold up. All rumours and hearsay of course.
I'm still all for building through higher end of draft. I just think it is going to be done in '13-14 on the road less traveled. '14-15 will likely be more of a traditional route and I think the '15-16 season is when the Raptors are looking to be real threats with an eye on '16 free agency.
"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Basketball has clear winners every night --except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.
I agree there doesn't seem to be much of a market for lowry among other teams anymore. Though i did read somewhere recently that Udrih is demanding a trade out of NY, might not have been a reliable source though, not sure. That could open up some lowry discussions, but I cant see MU taking on JR Smith which is who Dolan will be looking to package Udrih with. Looks like they will probably keep both players we originally wanted in the first place also. So that will probably lead nowhere again if talks ever did resurface.
I think at this point you don't look at it like which team needs a starting point guard, you look at it like what team wants to upgrade the position.
Question is just as hard to answer though.
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