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    I don't think we cheer for the Raptors to lose, that's not the case for me at least. I watch the games hoping to see a good game with the Raptors claiming victory. That said, I know my team's abilities & I accept that were just not good nor does it look promising in the near future. That is why when they lose, I'm cool with it too.

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    I listened to the raptor podcast and I agreed them with one thing 100% is this is once in a 50 years opportunity, you don't get this type of opportunity in our lifetime(a bit exaggerating), but come on i would take the chance. Let me ask you do you remember who plays who was the coach in year 2006? who cares man! it's those one of those bad or closely losing year and we were in the mid first round and picked an average utility now out of league player, do you want this thing to happen again this year? fine but this year is entirely different than any other years in the past, please Raptor lose next 50 games straight, so we can at worst get top 5 draft pick, after 5 years we wouldn't even remember the tanking thing happened in the year 2013.

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    I'm with you! I'd rather see a competitive team. The one thing we can say is that our team had an opportunity to win every game they played so far. If we end up losing and getting a high to mid lottery pick, i'm absolutely fine with that!

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    Theres only 2 direction from noman's land one can go....

    1, chase the victory flag
    2, run towards the tank in hopes of landing as a winner

    the victory flag is about 50,000 miles away for the Raps whereas the tank on the other hand...... hmmm

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    I'm with you! I'd rather see a competitive team. The one thing we can say is that our team had an opportunity to win every game they played so far. If we end up losing and getting a high to mid lottery pick, i'm absolutely fine with that!
    Saying this all the time... We've been rebuilding since 09 its been 4 fucking years and I don't wanna wait another 3 just wanna see the team win some god damn games

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    Quote rapfan10 wrote: View Post
    Saying this all the time... We've been rebuilding since 09 its been 4 fucking years and I don't wanna wait another 3 just wanna see the team win some god damn games

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    There are people still supporting Rob Ford, but still you gotta accept the majority, and the majority and consensus is tanking and draft Wiggins.

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    Quote Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post
    There are people still supporting Rob Ford, but still you gotta accept the majority, and the majority and consensus is tanking and draft Wiggins.
    But passion for this team and sports is on another level to politics... Plus wiggins is playing like shit... Reminds me a little of a guy I know as rudy gay

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Say what you want about Grange but he does have connections at MLSE.

    In any case, despite the musings of some people on this site, in particular certain podcast hosts, there is no quick fix for this team. Fixing the disaster BC left is going to take years. It's why he should have been fired in 2009 and not 2013. You not only lost those years, you lose the next 3 years which will be spent cleaning up the mess.

    The front office got swept clean last offseason. I suspect the roster will be swept clean, as much as possible, over this year and the next while management scrambles to acquire as many assets as possible. It sucks that more losing is on the way but these people presenting or believing in all these 1-hour, instamatic, quick-fix solutions are selling snake oil. BC tried that approach for years and failed. More of the same is an exercise in madness.
    More losing on the way? Bring it on baby.

    It has to be done at some point. Might as well be now.

    The mess that Colangelo created is pretty bad. Sweep it clean.

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    Quote rapfan10 wrote: View Post
    Saying this all the time... We've been rebuilding since 09 its been 4 fucking years and I don't wanna wait another 3 just wanna see the team win some god damn games

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    We've been seeing a shitty team because we haven't tanked and tried tread milling it. If you want to go through another 6 years of crap then by all means try and win as many games as possible this year and miss the playoffs anyways

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    Quote KazanTheMan wrote: View Post
    I took this "Summary" from a poster on REALGM, and it basically sums up what happened in the interview.

    Summary:
    - Had his first child
    - Attended Syracuse vs. Indiana game rather than watching Warriors vs. Raptors game.
    - Have to fix the collapse that happened in the 4th quarter
    - Warriors are unbelievable (trying to cover up Raptors' mistake with Warriors' talent?)
    - Job is 82 games, job is to evaluate the team
    - Toronto is in a lot of conversations around the league.
    - Currently evaluating team, will continue to make calls and communicate with others to figure out how to make the team better or which direction to go.
    - WE WILL NOT BE CAUGHT IN NO MAN'S LAND IN NBA (referring to treadmill?)
    - One issue he's evaluating is the fact that we have same kind of players in the roster.
    - Does not think that there is selfishness in the team, just that the style of the players is causing lack of ball movement.
    No, he said outright he wasn't trying to downplay how badly the Raptors failed. He said said he saw how well the GSW can play first hand when they beat the Nuggets in the playoffs.

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    We were in the process of rebuilding just fine until Master Colangelo decided to "accelerate" that. Wrong.

    It's like raising kids. You don't buy little Johnny a car at age 12 hoping that will make him grow up. It's a natural process & we deviated away from it.

    We already have 1 piece for the future in Jonas. We may have 2 already depending how you feel about Demar. Make that 3 if you like Ross. It's time to add more. By the time Jonas starts rounding his game (not for another 2 years), we should have at least 2 more pieces added on to our core & the financial flexibility to begin adding pieces in order to contend.

    Don't lie now guys. It's satisfying seeing your young kids grow before your eyes & that is a journey I'm looking forward to.

    Let's face it. We are in the midst of the King James' dynasty. Accordingly, we should start preparing for the fall of the king. He has 3 more super elite years at the very least. Let's start building ammo so we can kick him when he's on his way down.

    It just makes the most sense & we are lucky enough to be in a market that will survive a rebuild & if the core works, we know we have owners who will go into the luxury tax.

    If it doesn't work, well, we tried. What I know is what we have now ain't working so I'll put my money on the other option because it has a chance of paying off.

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    Pessimism and overreaction with little patience sadly seem to dominate many Raptor fans. Reality check there is no quick or easy fix and in the big picture there are several things to be positive about. Is the glass half empty or half full? Yes the last third of the GS game was shocking brutal and maybe a blessing in disguise because after the best 2/3 of a game in a few years where they moved the ball and played great defense. Most people lost this important fact that they can do it. They reverted to their selfish shot forcing contested jump shot which led to a stream of turnovers and missed shots. They had more turnovers than assists ( 5 ) in the second half and after dominating the boards in the first half had 0 defensive boards and 1 offensive board in the last quarter. Some of the raps especially the backcourt needed a brutal reality check and if this doesn`t grab their attention nothing will. There will be no player movement before the Dec 15 trade of new player deadline. The GM has shown great patience in Denver unlike our previous GM who often tried the quick fix which rarely works.( too many examples to mention and too painful so we should be thrilled that the GM will take his time and get the best possible deal for the long term not a stopgap move that might give us a few more wins this year which probably wouldn`t make any significant difference in this years playoffs. The GM was hired for FIVE YEARS not for a quick fix. when he arrived in Denver he had a train wreak in front of him . He has many more good pieces and assets to work with in Toronto including the 3 additional draft picks he stole in the AB trade before the season which most of the experts said was not possible. Fans seem to have forgotten this major coup he pulled off shortly after arriving! He can`t get decent value for either RG or KL until the coaches force them to play like they did in the first 2/3 of the GS game. That process will take time and patience and the improvement will be up and down and gradual.
    There is NO QUICK FIX!!! Steve Fisher

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    I'm with you! I'd rather see a competitive team. The one thing we can say is that our team had an opportunity to win every game they played so far. If we end up losing and getting a high to mid lottery pick, i'm absolutely fine with that!
    sign me up with this anti-tank group. These fair-weather fans make us look like the worst fanbase in the league. I'm never ever ever ever going to join a cult like the pro-tankers.
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    Quote Ambidextrious wrote: View Post
    Lol nahh I don't think that's the case, I was being very narrow minded when i chose my original stance. I want whatever is best for this team. Its about making the sacrifices now so that we can reap the benefits later.
    I think we can beat Phoenix, and maybe LA if Kobe doesn't play.

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    Quote lilmamba_ wrote: View Post
    *confession time*
    I tried I really tried the tanking process but i just cant. (two games) I cant force my self to like losing and then be happy about it. it's not who i am I ugggh no point in explaining it. but ima say it before yall do... I am the first one to hop off the tank.
    ight, you guys can call me names now.
    Here's the deal. When you are a parent you come face to face with a time when your child wants to help. They are not able to help effectively, and letting them help will just slow the process down. but if you don't let them start helping, they will never learn how to do whatever it is they are eager to help with. So you bite your tongue and say "Sure lilmamba. Come on in here. You grab that basket and we will work on getting this done." An hour later, 30 minutes longer than it would have taken you if you had just done it yourself, you are done. And so what. What the hell is an extra 30 minutes of your time. And lilmamba has got a pretty good idea of what is required. So the next time she helps it only takes 15 minutes longer, then ten minutes longer, then five, and then you are done two minutes faster then you would have been. And then, for the next five years you are way ahead of the game.

    You can call it tanking. But when you move veterans for picks or financial flexibility, you are allowing rookies to experience player development. And then you can start depending on them to play within your system. (Now you have to move Casey to get a system worth playing in).

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    Quote steve wrote: View Post
    Pessimism and overreaction with little patience sadly seem to dominate many Raptor fans. Reality check there is no quick or easy fix and in the big picture there are several things to be positive about. Is the glass half empty or half full? Yes the last third of the GS game was shocking brutal and maybe a blessing in disguise because after the best 2/3 of a game in a few years where they moved the ball and played great defense. Most people lost this important fact that they can do it. They reverted to their selfish shot forcing contested jump shot which led to a stream of turnovers and missed shots. They had more turnovers than assists ( 5 ) in the second half and after dominating the boards in the first half had 0 defensive boards and 1 offensive board in the last quarter. Some of the raps especially the backcourt needed a brutal reality check and if this doesn`t grab their attention nothing will. There will be no player movement before the Dec 15 trade of new player deadline. The GM has shown great patience in Denver unlike our previous GM who often tried the quick fix which rarely works.( too many examples to mention and too painful so we should be thrilled that the GM will take his time and get the best possible deal for the long term not a stopgap move that might give us a few more wins this year which probably wouldn`t make any significant difference in this years playoffs. The GM was hired for FIVE YEARS not for a quick fix. when he arrived in Denver he had a train wreak in front of him . He has many more good pieces and assets to work with in Toronto including the 3 additional draft picks he stole in the AB trade before the season which most of the experts said was not possible. Fans seem to have forgotten this major coup he pulled off shortly after arriving! He can`t get decent value for either RG or KL until the coaches force them to play like they did in the first 2/3 of the GS game. That process will take time and patience and the improvement will be up and down and gradual.
    There is NO QUICK FIX!!! Steve Fisher
    Sorry Steve. When I see a large block of text like this I just pass. Hit the enter key a couple of times to break the paragraph up into different thought segments. Shallow of me I know. But on the other hand, why not make it easier to read your posts?

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    Quote Ambidextrious wrote: View Post
    Okay guys, I think its time I get real with myself. After the last game it really hit me. This team isn't headed anywhere with its current design. Cant believe I'm saying this lol, lets blow it up cause its really for our own good. Its not too late..
    Not to worry, welcome aboard the "tank" wagon...it will be the easier way I am convinced. We'll be bad for awhile (this and next possibly) but at least you'll know WHY and the players will be playing with a purpose. Just waiting for something to happen and not being proactive especially because you cannot (the cap, bad contracts) is worse isnt it? And then the treadmill while other teams who have already started the rebuild pass us by....again.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Not to worry, welcome aboard the "tank" wagon...it will be the easier way I am convinced. We'll be bad for awhile (this and next possibly) but at least you'll know WHY and the players will be playing with a purpose. Just waiting for something to happen and not being proactive especially because you cannot (the cap, bad contracts) is worse isnt it? And then the treadmill while other teams who have already started the rebuild pass us by....again.
    yeah cant argue with that

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    Quote peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    sign me up with this anti-tank group. These fair-weather fans make us look like the worst fanbase in the league. I'm never ever ever ever going to join a cult like the pro-tankers.
    I laughed at the utter stupidity of this post.
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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post


    A very real possibility and a good question that no one can predict, tanker or anti-tanker.

    All we can do is hope that our management team works their tail off to give the prospects the best chance of succeeding. Also increasing the number of prospects will help the chances of one actually becoming great. Its all we can hope for.
    so in other words, all we can hope for is to be like the Sacramento Kings, not buying it.

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