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Thread: Gay, Acy & Gray to SAC for Vasquez, Patterson, Hayes & Salmons (Augustin waived)

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    Where's that guy who's been saying MU is overrated?
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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    Masai Ujiri is brilliant. Unloads Gay's contract and only has to give up Gray and Acy. Brilliant!! AND he didn't have to take Jimmer, that some seem to think is an asset. Vasquez is a MUCH BETTER haul than him.
    Agreed.

    There was so much talk of Rudy being "untradeable", or that we'd need to take on an equally "toxic" contract.

    Masai is well on his way to wiping the slate clean.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Agreed.

    There was so much talk of Rudy being "untradeable", or that we'd need to take on an equally "toxic" contract.

    Masai is well on his way to wiping the slate clean.
    Both the AB and gay trades are beyond what any of us could have realistically hoped for. The man is slick.

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    I would like to put it out there that getting John salmons, Ross and him play the same way so Ross could be on the move with lowry
    thats ridiculous. salmons is in his mid 30's, on a decline and has been so after chicago. why the hell would we keep him over ross? makes no sense.

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    Just read Sac Kings fan forum. They are all jumping from their seats, celebrating and argumenting how it was a no brainer. Boy oh boy, I wish I could show them our Gay/Jose/Ed trade thread.
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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Just read Sac Kings fan forum. They are all jumping from their seats, celebrating and argumenting how it was a no brainer. Boy oh boy, I wish I could show them our Gay/Jose/Ed trade thread.
    Tbh, it's not that horrible for them. I mean they got rid of two horrible contracts and got back Gay who could "possibly" make a comeback season with a tougher coach than Casey. As to who wins this trade, we win from what it seems now but that can all change later. Depends on which Gay shows up in Sacramento and whether Gay opts out our not. As much as I don't think he'll forfeit a $19 mill paycheck, does he really want to play in Sacramento where talent rots faster than here in Toronto...

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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Just read Sac Kings fan forum. They are all jumping from their seats, celebrating and argumenting how it was a no brainer. Boy oh boy, I wish I could show them our Gay/Jose/Ed trade thread.
    Even if Rudy were to magically morph into an efficient, allstar calibre player, do they really think they can catch Dallas, Denver and Golden State?
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    "The priority in Toronto is clearly finishing as high as possible in the lottery with Canadian sensation Andrew Wiggins and several other top prospects expected to be available to teams picking at the top of the June draft. Lowry is in the final year of his contact at an affordable $6.2 million and believed to be eminently available because he's not part of Toronto's future plans.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Even if Rudy were to magically morph into an efficient, allstar calibre player, do they really think they can catch Dallas, Denver and Golden State?
    Well not really, they think it can be the long term answer (Cousins n' Gay)
    http://www.kingsfans.com/threads/rud....54571/page-15
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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    thats ridiculous. salmons is in his mid 30's, on a decline and has been so after chicago. why the hell would we keep him over ross? makes no sense.
    He is either here for Ross to learn as they have the same game. Or could use Ross as a piece I don't think Ross is going to become Kobe.

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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Well not really, they think it can be the long term answer (Cousins n' Gay)
    http://www.kingsfans.com/threads/rud....54571/page-15
    I feel bad for them.

    They don't realize what is about to happen.

    If Cousins had issues with Tyreke Evans' shot selection and passing.... man o' man, he ain't seen nothing yet!
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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    He is either here for Ross to learn as they have the same game. Or could use Ross as a piece I don't think Ross is going to become Kobe.
    Sorry Homie, but Salmons was included for Salary sake. Rudy makes over $17M this year so we had to take back at least $12M. He was just their most expendable player with a decent sized expiring deal. Salmons will warm the bench for the rest of year before being cut in the offseason for a measly $1M buyout. He could also be sent out in another trade as his expiring deal will be very attractive to teams trying to get under the cap before the trade deadline.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Sorry Homie, but Salmons was included for Salary sake. Rudy makes over $17M this year so we had to take back at least $12M. He was just their most expendable player with a decent sized expiring deal. Salmons will warm the bench for the rest of year before being cut in the offseason for a measly $1M buyout. He could also be sent out in another trade as his expiring deal will be very attractive to teams trying to get under the cap before the trade deadline.
    Or traded to another team looking to cut salary in exchange for another contract and sweetener.

    Guaranteed you don't see Masai take any player with a contract extending beyond 2014-15 unless it is a rookie deal.... just guessing here.

    2015-16 is what is being geared up for.
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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Sorry Homie, but Salmons was included for Salary sake. Rudy makes over $17M this year so we had to take back at least $12M. He was just their most expendable player with a decent sized expiring deal. Salmons will warm the bench for the rest of year before being cut in the offseason for a measly $1M buyout. He could also be sent out in another trade as his expiring deal will be very attractive to teams trying to get under the cap before the trade deadline.
    I wish I could be confident that that would be the case but... I can totally see Casey using Salmons as another excuse to bench our young prospects in favor of an "experienced vet". Fucking Casey.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    dumping Lowry is now mandatory as we need to figure out what we got with Vasquez
    At minimum, we got a capable back up PG or a very good trade chip when the Feb comes around. Lowry needs to go as well. UM has so many options now and I can see him getting us another first round pick (10-15) or 2 first round pick (>15) with all the pieces that are left here. I be very happy if he moves Lowry,DD,Amir, Vasquez, Patterson and Salmon for 2 first round pick by Feb. That would be the ultimate rebuild.

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    Wonder if Colangelo would be willing to do a post-apocalypse interview. Would be funny hearing him trying to justify that each move he made was still a good one.

    What's really funny is that Rob freakin' Babcock has a front office job, while Colangelo does not.
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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Well not really, they think it can be the long term answer (Cousins n' Gay)
    http://www.kingsfans.com/threads/rud....54571/page-15
    Interest point raised in that thread is that Gay's expiring (assuming he opts in) coincides with Marcus Thornton's expiring. Kings could have a lot of cap space in 2 years. Makes more sense for them to wait till then anyway

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    Everyone seems to love the trade and I can't blame them. One thing I like about this is that it doesn't ruin the capspace flexibility for 2015, which I continue to believe is going to be a big chance for the Raps. The biggest reason I was opposed to the O'Neal/Marion deal BC made was that I thought O'Neal's $20M coming off the books was more valuable in the long term even with the short term pain.

    This Gay trade, though, seems to be the best of both worlds.

    P.S. Can't read through the whole thread but I note John Salmons is coming to Toronto. God must have changed his mind on that one....

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    Sweet Dee

    So Rudy Gay for Vasquez and some expiring contracts. Really?? Masai Ujiri you are my new hero. I’m sure everyone will cite Rudy’s horrible FG% but he also turns the ball over a ton, doesn’t make his teammates better, and is absolutely atrocious out of the double team (there is a reason Grizz offloaded him = terrible in playoff match-ups). The Raps tank for this year and can let everyone but Chuck Hayes come off the books next year if they so choose. Who do you think won the Sacramento/Toronto deal and why?

    Steve Kyler

    You are under estimating what you got back… Vasquez is a quality backup guard that can start if they decide to move Kyle Lowry. John Salmons always seems to excel right after a trade. Patrick Patterson is a huge upgrade over Quincy Acy and could be a nice additional in the long term and Chuck Hayes is so underrated. All of them have trade value around the trade deadline.

    So you say ending contracts. I say a handful of players that could really contribute this season and have value in trade if things don’t turn.

    As for winning a deal. Good deals give both sides what they wanted. Sacramento wanted out of the logjams they had and to offload guys that were not in the long-term plan. They wanted a named player and they go one.

    Toronto wanted out of Rudy Gay and wanted to cash his monster deal into smaller more manageable pieces.

    Both sides got what they wanted.


    Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-rumors...ve-kyler-12913
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    Is it safe to say Masai Ujiri is blowing it all up now? I think he’s made two great deals in the bargs and gay trades. I feel for what his vision is Masai has just pulled another “carmelo anthony-type” of deal. He made out like a bandit, and got the kings to take a virtually untradable contract.

    Steve Kyler

    Not sure why everyone thinks that. The pieces that came back from Sacramento are really solid additions to a team that really lacked a lot of depth.

    Moving off Rudy Gay, who has a PER of 15.9 and a salary of $17 million, was solid GM work.

    This is what Masai did in Denver. Cashed out a massive contract that wasn’t part of the future and got four pieces that could be. I think this roster has a far better shot at the playoffs than it did with Rudy Gay and there is flexibility to make additional moves if things don’t turn the corner.


    Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-rumors...ve-kyler-12913
    JimInCyberSpace

    Rudy Gay to Sacramento… Sure looks looks like Toronto came on the high side?

    Steve Kyler

    As I said… both teams got exactly what they wanted.

    Toronto broke up the Rudy contract. They got some players that could help them now and possibly in the future. They got a $2.8 million Traded Player Exception. Good deal.

    The Sacramento Kings cleared out the logjam at a lot of spots. Got a named player and made a bold move.


    Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-rumors...ve-kyler-12913
    just another opinion to throw out there
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