So for anyone who doesn't know.... wiggins would be pulling the ultimate patriotic move by doing a Steve Francis on draft night.
Here's the thing everyone ignores when discussing this situation. Assuming Wiggins is a max contract level player, that's not true. A team has two options when extending a qualifying offer - they can extend the usual one-year qualifying offer at a low contract value as described above. Or they can extend a maximum qualifying offer. This is exactly the same as the qualifying offer above (it allows the team to match any offer to the free agent), except for 3 things.
1) Any offer made to the player must now be 3 years in length. With a regular QO, offers must be at least 2 years in length.
2) The value of the qualifying offer is the player's maximum salary (after a rookie deal this is about 14 million per year) instead of the reduced amount in a regular QO (for the first overall pick about 8.2 million).
And most importantly:
3) The maximum qualifying offer is a contract 5 years in length. Signing the QO in this case would lock the player into a 5 year maximum contract with his original team. The player would be free to leave earlier if he signed a 4 year offer from another team.
So when I and others say that (assuming Wiggins is worth all the fuss, and therefore worth a max contract) the first chance to get him in free agency will be after 8 or 9 years, that's where the certainty comes from. It's not an assumption that he won't bolt when he gets the chance - it is the reality that he won't get the chance until then.
Last edited by DanH; Fri Dec 20th, 2013 at 09:15 AM. Reason: Update for error - 2 and 3 years in new CBA, not 3 and 4
Maybe we can send him a Wayne Gretzky video in 5 years so he can go to LA.
This has been my position ever since Wiggins announced that the Raptors were the NBA team he wanted to play for. Given he close Wiggins played his cards to his chest prior to his decision to go to Kansas, it is quite significant (and nonetheless unsurprising) that he wants to head to TO. The other option the Raptors have is to look at a trade at some point during Wiggins' rookie contract when his team realizes they aren't going to be able to sign him to a second deal. Wiggins' team will not have a lot of leverage if there is only one team he'll take a sign and trade to
I had mentioned this a while back in a piece here. I do like the strategy and it even has a good probability of working out given that Wiggins is attached to Toronto and has said he wants to come. To play devil's advocate though, here are some of the negatives:
- It would take 5-6 years before it happens, assuming his RFA offer is matched or he's extended.
- In that time frame he may become attached to the city he's in and not want to change.
- His Bird rights would belong to his current team and they could offer him the most money.
And would we even want that type of person (regardless of his birth certificate)?
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It seems to me there's no point in tanking. The Raptors are clearly the best team in their division, and even without the division title and 4th seed, there's no way we'll be worse than Phili, Orlando, Utah, etc. Like it or not, as long as we have a starting line up with JV, Amir, DD, and Lowry, we are too good to tank. That being said, I see no sense in trading proven talent to be bad and wind up with an unproven 5th pick
This is what I propose:
Try and keep Lowry
- He's proven to be a solid pg, better than anyone else who's gonna be available. It's hard to bring players to Toronto, but no one has ever left without praising the city. For the right amount of money, I think he'd stay. We've got cap space that has to be used on someone, why not him?
Try to get over 500, and win the Atlantic
-Yeah, the Atlantic is bad, but the Raptors don't have to be. I think if they keep playing this kind of ball, they can finish with a respectable record and create a winning culture. With this team and the way things are going, I have hopes for a playoff run- not a first round exit.
In 3-4 years, make a play for Wiggins
-For the first time ever, there's a player who WANTS to play for the Raptors! It makes no sense to build a shit team in order to get him, when instead the Raptors could be built into an above average East team, let some other team ease Wiggins into the NBA, then snatch him up with max money (assuming he'll deserve it) and the chance to come home.
I think in the next 4 years, if the Raptors can become a good team and get the city more behind them than they already are, and Wiggins is a bonafide Canadian star, the Raptors would be given the green light on throwing max money at him, regardless of their cap situation.
Hi. Welcome to the forums.
This topic has been brought up numerous times before.
Problem is whatever team drafts him will have him on a rookie contract for 4 years.
The Raptors could offer him a contract but his drafting team will have right to match. If he is what he is suppose to be, that contract is either going to be matched or he will have already signed an extension before he ever hits free agency. This is likely to take him to his 8th or 9th NBA season.
The other possibility, and one that I can only remember happening with Ben Gordon, is he signs his qualifying offer and becomes an UFA after 5th year.
So either way you are looking at an unlikely possibility of landing him after year 5 or as an unrestricted free agent in 8-9 years.
"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Basketball has clear winners every night --except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.
My goodness, there's going to be a lot of sadness in Raptorland when the team (more than likely) doesn't acquire Wiggins. I see no point in putting so much hope in getting one player. What if he doesn't even pan out?
Wiggins, Wiggins, Wiggins (puke)
Wiggins, Wiggins, Wiggins,Wiggins, Wiggins, Wiggins,Wiggins, Wiggins, Wiggins.................
We will not get him. With this rate, we will get a pick above 10 in this draft. Who needs Wiggins and Parker when we have Amir and Lowry !!!
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