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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    Based on his play off performance ( Turn Overs and disappearing from the game) , his ceiling is Gortat right now But who knows, maybe he will come in next season and will dominate against big guys in the league ...
    someone's mistaking ceiling with likely outcome.

    a ceiling can only get lower with age.

    if you think it's possible for JV to raise his ceiling (no matter how unlikely it is) then that raised ceiling is also his current one.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    someone's mistaking ceiling with likely outcome.

    a ceiling can only get lower with age.

    if you think it's possible for JV to raise his ceiling (no matter how unlikely it is) then that raised ceiling is also his current one.
    Lol Gortat killed it this year though...
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    Lol Gortat killed it this year though...
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    Contract years! Wooooooo!
    Fear the contract year.

    Washington could be in quite the pickle with big contracts given to Ariza and Gortat only to watch them slide back to career norms... like Webster last season.
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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Fear the contract year.

    Washington could be in quite the pickle with big contracts given to Ariza and Gortat only to watch them slide back to career norms... like Webster last season.
    Then Durant won't go there as they have too much money tied into them to have filled the rest of their roster with a good supporting cast so he'll come here! Woooooo!
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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Fear the contract year.

    Washington could be in quite the pickle with big contracts given to Ariza and Gortat only to watch them slide back to career norms... like Webster last season.
    It's funny how it seems most people here think that Lowry will continue his stellar play next season even though it was a contract year for him. I wonder if other message boards want to stay clear of him because of that reason like we do with players like Gortat. (Genuinely curious)

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    It's funny how it seems most people here think that Lowry will continue his stellar play next season even though it was a contract year for him. I wonder if other message boards want to stay clear of him because of that reason like we do with players like Gortat. (Genuinely curious)
    I fear Lowry too.

    I fear any player that after numerous years in the league finally puts it all together after years of people saying, "this will be his year."

    Ariza is one guy who has already done it. Salmons has been notorious for showing up in contract years too, only to disappear a season later.
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    Quote Raptorsnz wrote: View Post
    It's funny how it seems most people here think that Lowry will continue his stellar play next season even though it was a contract year for him. I wonder if other message boards want to stay clear of him because of that reason like we do with players like Gortat. (Genuinely curious)
    I think Lowry just grew up.

    Also, he played just as well at the beginning of last year before he was injured as he did this past year.

    I'm not worried that his level of play will dip.

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    Looking back on this thread I thought it would be interesting to bring it back going into JVs contract year

    How much would you pay him?

    and assuming we give a contract based on his 'potential' where do you see him stacking up in the next few years?

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    Quote connected wrote: View Post
    Looking back on this thread I thought it would be interesting to bring it back going into JVs contract year

    How much would you pay him?

    and assuming we give a contract based on his 'potential' where do you see him stacking up in the next few years?
    He'll likely get a max or near max deal and I'm cool with that.

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    He'll likely get a max or near max deal and I'm cool with that.
    Steinw as on TSN radio recently and said he expects Jv to get a little less than kanter

    So basically a little under the max
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    It's almost a guarantee if JV hits the open market he's getting a max deal. So hopefully we can negotiate with him to sign for a little less than the max. But I don't think it'll happen

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    Would be great to sign him to the Kanter deal now.

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    Nah the warlord's gonna lock up JV with a fair deal. the selling point will be he gets to be in the room when MU fires Casey.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Nah the warlord's gonna lock up JV with a fair deal. the selling point will be he gets to be in the room when MU fires Casey.
    It's not that big a deal, hopefully he signs his extension but even if he doesn't the Raptors can sign a free agent when his cap hold is low then sign him as an RFA. It'll cost more but it isn't my money and after his new deal it'll be hard to find cap space especially with Demar

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    Guys, again, the Kanter deal is nowhere near JV's max deal. So "a little below Kanter" and "max or close to it" are two very, very different things.

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    Quote raptors999 wrote: View Post
    It's not that big a deal, hopefully he signs his extension but even if he doesn't the Raptors can sign a free agent when his cap hold is low then sign him as an RFA. It'll cost more but it isn't my money and after his new deal it'll be hard to find cap space especially with Demar
    Not going to be any cap space. Maybe 15M, if Ross isn't extended (and walks) and JJ walks (and I'm assuming Scola walks) which is laughable next summer.

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    Guys, again, the Kanter deal is nowhere near JV's max deal. So "a little below Kanter" and "max or close to it" are two very, very different things.
    If JV extends at the Kanter Max deal great but if he enter RFA there is a chance he doesn't get his Max number from other teams. Hell probably get more than Kanter but possibly less than true Max

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    Not going to be any cap space. Maybe 15M, if Ross isn't extended (and walks) and JJ walks (and I'm assuming Scola walks) which is laughable next summer.
    Aren't Ross and JV cap holds really low. The real cap space eater would be Demar. If Raptors decide to get a #1 scoring option Demar would be the one to be gone. Not hating on Demar just his cap hold would be the biggest.

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    Aren't Ross and JV cap holds really low. The real cap space eater would be Demar. If Raptors decide to get a #1 scoring option Demar would be the one to be gone. Not hating on Demar just his cap hold would be the biggest.
    JV's is 11M. Ross' is 8M. DeMar's is 14.3M (unless he's an all-star again, in which case it is 15.2M).

    If Ross AND DD are let go, and JJ and Scola walk, then the best I can project for the Raps based on the 89M cap prediction from the NBA is 25.3M. That's enough (barely) for a max offer to a mid-career FA (not RFA, not 10+ years) like DeMar or Durant, etc.

    It's not going to be just 1 guy let go. It will be a couple to several. And if JV or Ross get extended this summer then we're back to too little cap room to play with the big boys (read: most of the league). If both get extended we're looking at more like 15M in cap room, if DeMar walks.

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