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    I'm so sick of people saying derozan needs the ball in his hands to score, and that disqualifies him from being a number two option. He doesn't need it in his hands for the whole shot clock for fucks sakes, he needs it long enough to make a quick drive to the rim and attack. Aside from that he can be effective from the corner, post ups and screen and roll (on the move).

    If you look at most championship teams they have more than one player who can have the ball in their hands and attack a defense. How many title teams have you seen with one scorer and 4 off ball players? That's one of the main reasons why Cleveland never won shit with Lebron because he was the only guy who could create offense.

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    Quote Shrub wrote: View Post
    Anytime you go ahead and say something like:
    "X has no effect on a team's ability to win", your judgement becomes seriously suspect.
    Especially when it's a starter.
    Especially when it's the leading scorer.
    Basketball is a team game - how can he not have a huge effect?

    It's simple.
    The way I worded the phrase did make it sound like an absolute phrase, however it was not intended as such. Speaking in absolutes is not a good idea, and I generally do not mean it as to makea post a littleless wordy so the meaning can be easily interpreted....hard to have best of both worlds

    I did intend to mean that this win 'streak' has not been an effect of DD...in fact he has regressed without Gay. So in part,he has had little effect above his normal production (where normal is a part .300 team)

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    I'm so sick of people saying derozan needs the ball in his hands to score, and that disqualifies him from being a number two option. He doesn't need it in his hands for the whole shot clock for fucks sakes, he needs it long enough to make a quick drive to the rim and attack. Aside from that he can be effective from the corner, post ups and screen and roll (on the move).

    If you look at most championship teams they have more than one player who can have the ball in their hands and attack a defense. How many title teams have you seen with one scorer and 4 off ball players? That's one of the main reasons why Cleveland never won shit with Lebron because he was the only guy who could create offense.
    DD can't have the ball in his hands for the whole clock because he can't create for himself (unless it is an iso post up, which he doesn't do anymore anyways)

    Therefore he needs a play that dedicates the post players to screening his defender to open him up for a catch and chuck/drive, which is the same as centering an offense to just get him a midranged shot, which is both ineffective and inefficient.

    Your championship point is interesting. Championship teams have at least 2 guys that can create for their teammates...but when the one is creating, the other(s) is able to play off the ball. Since DD is not great (or even good for that matter) at either...do you think he can be a major part in building a conference finals team??

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    DD can't have the ball in his hands for the whole clock because he can't create for himself (unless it is an iso post up, which he doesn't do anymore anyways)

    Therefore he needs a play that dedicates the post players to screening his defender to open him up for a catch and chuck/drive, which is the same as centering an offense to just get him a midranged shot, which is both ineffective and inefficient.

    Your championship point is interesting. Championship teams have at least 2 guys that can create for their teammates...but when the one is creating, the other(s) is able to play off the ball. Since DD is not great (or even good for that matter) at either...do you think he can be a major part in building a conference finals team??
    No, let's amnesty him.

    I've made my points already in this thread. At the end of the day Masai will decide whether demar can be part of the raptors going forwards if they want to win. If he gets traded, it's not like I won't be a fan of this team anymore.

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    No, let's amnesty him.
    Grow up

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Grow up
    Already have. I've actually supported my opinion with facts in here. You never do and just spew garbage repeatedly. Like I said before you're the worst poster here and a troll in my book.

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    Quote Shrub wrote: View Post
    You must realize it's not that simple.
    You must.

    You sub in any other player and the whole thing changes.
    Chemistry.

    You shouldn't expect DeMar's stats to go up - he is now the # 1 option (which he shouldn't be).
    He's playing a bigger role in the offense tha he should, and he's playing fine (not exceptional, but fine).

    I am still on the fence about DeMar as a player, honestly, but it's very silly to say this 10 game stretch has nothing to do with him. It's very silly, and every player on that team would disagree. I really think you guys look at basketball like it's a video game sometimes.
    Do video games supply stats too? That kidding (sorta) aside, one of the best posts I've seen on here!

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    Jesus Christ of course I realize it isn't that simple. My point was just this: over the last ten games, the only player who I can say has, beyond a shadow of a doubt, been essential to the team's success has been Lowry. He's been playing at an All-NBA level. Replace him with an average point guard and this team's in the shitter. Replace anyone else and I don't think there's a significant change either way.
    I think you already did make that point. The question is what is the "...I don't think..." based on? It's a question because your opinion really doesn't seem to be based on understanding of the game, as in it's way off. Hey, it's your opinion though, so cool. It's just some may see it as "looking at basketball like it's a video game"~Shrub

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    No, let's amnesty him.

    I've made my points already in this thread. At the end of the day Masai will decide whether demar can be part of the raptors going forwards if they want to win. If he gets traded, it's not like I won't be a fan of this team anymore.
    Once again, I feel for you, man. But you've been through this DeMar merry-go-round on here before. For months it was all Tank or DeMar. People softened there for a while, shit even Matt52's DD obsession chilled out, but now that DeMar is being doubled by likes of KD,Kawhi, Marion consistently, they're back for more stat spouting talk.

    We're talking stats, not basketball. We're not talking basketball, man. We're talking stats. You know what I'm saying. Stats. Not Basketball. Stats. DeMar goes out there and gives his all every game. Elite teams put their elite defenders on him, with doubles all the time, but we're talking stats man. He's regressing, look, the stats say so. We're talking stats, man. Not basketball. we're talking stats........................................ and so on............... Get that straight.

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    Once again, I feel for you, man. But you've been through this DeMar merry-go-round on here before. For months it was all Tank or DeMar. People softened there for a while, shit even Matt52's DD obsession chilled out, but now that DeMar is being doubled by likes of KD,Kawhi, Marion consistently, they're back for more stat spouting talk.

    We're talking stats, not basketball. We're not talking basketball, man. We're talking stats. You know what I'm saying. Stats. Not Basketball. Stats. DeMar goes out there and gives his all every game. Elite teams put their elite defenders on him, with doubles all the time, but we're talking stats man. He's regressing, look, the stats say so. We're talking stats, man. Not basketball. we're talking stats........................................ and so on............... Get that straight.
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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    We're talking stats, not basketball. We're not talking basketball, man. We're talking stats. You know what I'm saying. Stats. Not Basketball. Stats. DeMar goes out there and gives his all every game. Elite teams put their elite defenders on him, with doubles all the time, but we're talking stats man. He's regressing, look, the stats say so. We're talking stats, man. Not basketball. we're talking stats........................................ and so on............... Get that straight.

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    Jesus Christ of course I realize it isn't that simple. My point was just this: over the last ten games, the only player who I can say has, beyond a shadow of a doubt, been essential to the team's success has been Lowry. He's been playing at an All-NBA level. Replace him with an average point guard and this team's in the shitter. Replace anyone else and I don't think there's a significant change either way.
    First, my apologies gentlemen.
    Cliff and Oldskool.
    I was cranky as fuck today.

    I see the point you're both trying to make, and on an individual level I won't argue.
    I don't agree, but I won't argue.
    I like DeRozan sometimes, I don't like him other times.
    I don't know how much I like him for the Raptors, and where this team is headed.

    I just like to give credit where credit is due.
    Cliff, I don't agree that you can sub any one of these players out and have that same 10 game stretch.
    I think they are all essential.
    These guys are really playing like a team right now, and I don't believe Lowry has been the best player on the floor every night.
    But he's the driving force, no doubt.

    I also don't really think those 10 games are indicative of much, for the record.
    I just love to get hypothetical with this shit.

    I would be curious though, Cliff, to know who you think we could swap in for DeMar and expect the same performance. I think one of the odd benefits DeMar's reaped from being in Toronto is that he's been forced to be a first option on an offense. He shouldn't have been, but it's forced him to grow as a player, and not many guys can step in and fill that role. In an odd way, this misuse of a player has taken him from what should ideally be a 2nd/3rd option (again, I reference Kevin Martin) and elevated him into something potentially more dangerous (just like we did with Bosh). How many other shooting guards do you really think can do that?
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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    hahahaha
    That is kind of my reaction when I read comments like the one you have quoted while that same person proudly proclaims DeRozan is a brand new player not 10 games ago with his 40% shooting from three and rubbing others faces in it. My reaction all along has been lets wait and see what happens after 40 games, like half a season. Unfortunately it has not even taken that long to see he is essentially the same player he has always been.

    That "hahahaha" is also my reaction when I read people saying how great he is without actually providing anything to back it up.

    The "hahahaha" is also my take when I see other comments attempting to discredit me when I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game that have been made. Unfortunately it does not appear the DeChosen anointed by some fans will allow any criticism of a game with serious flaws.


    Here are some hardcore facts worthy of a "hahahaha":

    1) When DeRozan was playing his best individual ball of the year the Raptors were losing,
    2) The Raptors are winning while DeRozan is playing his worst offensive ball of the year while JV, Ross, Amir, and Lowry are playing their best ball (coincidence? I think not),
    3) DeRozan's individual stats are practically identical in wins and losses except he plays about 3 minutes less in wins and he takes 2.5 shots less per game in wins than losses while he has 4.0 vs 2.8 assists in wins vs losses,
    4) He is without question an inefficient volume shooter: he is 12th in total FGA per game while 20th in total points; per game he is 8th in FGA while 16th in PPG.


    There is no question he has shown growth this year but that was not hard to begin with, to be honest. I also agree with OldSkool in waiting for a logical post proving how good DD is.

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    I still am looking for a post logically proving hpw good DD is...
    And for once I'd love to see him guard the other teams best perimeter player.... just once. Not hating, just saying.
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    I don't understand why people think Demar is no good without the ball, and that he can only be 'effective' with the ball in his hands. Demar's best stretch this season was when Rudy was here and he was playing off the ball more. More catch and shoots, especially in the corner, and when he did create for himself it was more often in the post.

    He is actually much better and a more efficient and impactful player when he plays off the ball. The Raps lost when Demar played his best was because, IMO, because Rudy was the first option, and he completely sucked in that role, while Demar was more suited to that secondary role than the primary role he is in now. Furthermore, and more importantly, while Rudy was here neither JV, Amir, Lowry, or even Ross were engaged and playing well, which probably had more impact on the teams success than Demar's individual performances. Remove Rudy, and now the ball moves around the court and all our starters have stepped up to play hard, engaged basketball. Amir and JV are no longer just perimeter screeners, they are actually involved more in the offense and getting touches, and as such as playing better.

    the difference here is night and day, and that was on Rudy's shoulders. He was the inefficient chucking black hole, and thank the lord he is gone. Now we got some interesting basketball to watch.

    Nonetheless, Demar is now back into that primary scoring role, which most of us know isn't the best option for Demar. As such, his shot selection and efficiency have dropped. I think Nosike's point is a valid one. Although it may be his choice, as Matt said, to take some of those inefficient 2's, he is the guy that is expected to take those on this team, not Ross, Amir, JV, Salmons. Lowry is the only other option, and if he did more of that, his percentages would suffer as well. At times, someone on the team is going to have to take the tough shot, and that burden is on Demar.

    I think he should get back to posting up more. no doubt he gets doubled, and this would help open things up more for others. He would be more effective creating for others in the post than off the dribble IMO. And I also think he needs to use his screens better (when he has the ball). Too often he seems to think of them as a decoy and then just takes a step to the side for a long two. Step back for three or use the screen to drive to the basket or a pull up within 15 ft is even ok. This is just what I see, I have no lovely stats to back any of this up.

    Demar is not gonna be an efficient player as the number one offensive option, but playing off the ball he can be very good.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That is kind of my reaction when I read comments like the one you have quoted while that same person proudly proclaims DeRozan is a brand new player not 10 games ago with his 40% shooting from three and rubbing others faces in it. My reaction all along has been lets wait and see what happens after 40 games, like half a season. Unfortunately it has not even taken that long to see he is essentially the same player he has always been.

    That "hahahaha" is also my reaction when I read people saying how great he is without actually providing anything to back it up.

    The "hahahaha" is also my take when I see other comments attempting to discredit me when I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game that have been made. Unfortunately it does not appear the DeChosen anointed by some fans will allow any criticism of a game with serious flaws.


    Here are some hardcore facts worthy of a "hahahaha":

    1) When DeRozan was playing his best individual ball of the year the Raptors were losing,
    2) The Raptors are winning while DeRozan is playing his worst offensive ball of the year while JV, Ross, Amir, and Lowry are playing their best ball (coincidence? I think not),
    3) DeRozan's individual stats are practically identical in wins and losses except he plays about 3 minutes less in wins and he takes 2.5 shots less per game in wins than losses while he has 4.0 vs 2.8 assists in wins vs losses,
    4) He is without question an inefficient volume shooter: he is 12th in total FGA per game while 20th in total points; per game he is 8th in FGA while 16th in PPG.


    There is no question he has shown growth this year but that was not hard to begin with, to be honest. I also agree with OldSkool in waiting for a logical post proving how good DD is.



    And for once I'd love to see him guard the other teams best perimeter player.... just once. Not hating, just saying.
    Jeeeesuzzz, several posts in the last couple of days have served notice that the obsession is back in full swing, but this one shows signs of more serious illness.

    "My reaction all along has been lets wait and see what happens after 40 games, like half a season"

    Huh? Delusional or what? 28 games in, not 40,,,,,,,, 28 games in, this incessant (like the worst broken record in effing history) downer:

    - has gone from "he is what he is....(I got stats, look, I got stats)"
    - to a number of posts reflecting the "I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game that have been made", enclosed in this very post
    - to returning to several incredibly lengthy, heavily stat nit-picked (while ignoring sound reasoning that stems from actual basketball knowledge, not stat studying) that reflect the "Unfortunately it has not even taken that long to see he is essentially the same player he has always been.", also enclosed in this post.

    Contradictions oozing all over the place. The back and forth flip-flopping within 28 games, not the chest pounding 40 mentioned is sad enough, but the 2 comments quoted above, in the same post is mind boggling. Particularly when the first one presented is the "same player he has always been" one,,,,,,,, which is soon followed by the "I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game" one, being used to garner sympathy votes in a whine about being "allowed" to criticize. wtf?

    Then we get more of the anecdotal stat "facts" that continues to ignore any sound basketball reasoning in favour of stats, man, I'm talking about stats,,, no basketball, we're talking stats............ and so on. To no surprise, followed by a challenge to supply stats,,,,, not basketball reasoning,,,, we're talking stats, not basketball, stats are the thing!

    "And for once I'd love to see him guard the other teams best perimeter player.... just once. Not hating, just saying"

    Maybe he needs to actually watch more games, and/or know what he's seeing? DeMar does guard other teams' best perimeter player, particularly since Gay has been gone,,,,,, and during this streak. Not all the time, but for shit sake, what the hell is expected? He expects that in the first year of his $9.5M deal (not max, not franchise player $), he should be both carrying the burden of #1 option on offense, AND covering the defense on the best player, all the time,,,,,, and producing great stats while doing it? Whine, whine, whine because he isn't a LeBron? How many damn players in the league can you say are the #1 option on offense AND consistently cover the opponent's best player? Except for the elite of the elite, that's a recipe for driving a kid into the ground. They're not effing robots! It's an illness, I tell ya. An illness, sadly enabled by many here.
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    I don't understand why people think Demar is no good without the ball, and that he can only be 'effective' with the ball in his hands. Demar's best stretch this season was when Rudy was here and he was playing off the ball more. More catch and shoots, especially in the corner, and when he did create for himself it was more often in the post.

    He is actually much better and a more efficient and impactful player when he plays off the ball. The Raps lost when Demar played his best was because, IMO, because Rudy was the first option, and he completely sucked in that role, while Demar was more suited to that secondary role than the primary role he is in now. Furthermore, and more importantly, while Rudy was here neither JV, Amir, Lowry, or even Ross were engaged and playing well, which probably had more impact on the teams success than Demar's individual performances. Remove Rudy, and now the ball moves around the court and all our starters have stepped up to play hard, engaged basketball. Amir and JV are no longer just perimeter screeners, they are actually involved more in the offense and getting touches, and as such as playing better.

    the difference here is night and day, and that was on Rudy's shoulders. He was the inefficient chucking black hole, and thank the lord he is gone. Now we got some interesting basketball to watch.

    Nonetheless, Demar is now back into that primary scoring role, which most of us know isn't the best option for Demar. As such, his shot selection and efficiency have dropped. I think Nosike's point is a valid one. Although it may be his choice, as Matt said, to take some of those inefficient 2's, he is the guy that is expected to take those on this team, not Ross, Amir, JV, Salmons. Lowry is the only other option, and if he did more of that, his percentages would suffer as well. At times, someone on the team is going to have to take the tough shot, and that burden is on Demar.

    I think he should get back to posting up more. no doubt he gets doubled, and this would help open things up more for others. He would be more effective creating for others in the post than off the dribble IMO. And I also think he needs to use his screens better (when he has the ball). Too often he seems to think of them as a decoy and then just takes a step to the side for a long two. Step back for three or use the screen to drive to the basket or a pull up within 15 ft is even ok. This is just what I see, I have no lovely stats to back any of this up.

    Demar is not gonna be an efficient player as the number one offensive option, but playing off the ball he can be very good.
    Yeah, the "needs ball in his hands" talk always bugs me a bit. He's not a ball-stopper. He's not a black hole. He's also not a #1 option, but unfortunately for him and the team, right now he's the closest thing we've got, so he ends up in a few too many situations where he has to make something happen on his own. A guy whose inefficiencies are due to too much responsibility is a guy who's hard to criticize for those inefficiencies, especially since by the eye-test, he's made pretty good progress over the last couple of years.

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    Already have. I've actually supported my opinion with facts in here. You never do and just spew garbage repeatedly. Like I said before you're the worst poster here and a troll in my book.
    Yes you have stated your opinion, but you haven't provided any evidence for it. I have backed up what I said, even Matt52's post backs up what I said. I'm not spewing garbage...spewing garbage would be saying that Austin Rivers is better than DD

    If that makes me the worst poster on here and a troll, then you do not know the definition of being a troll...

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    That is kind of my reaction when I read comments like the one you have quoted while that same person proudly proclaims DeRozan is a brand new player not 10 games ago with his 40% shooting from three and rubbing others faces in it. My reaction all along has been lets wait and see what happens after 40 games, like half a season. Unfortunately it has not even taken that long to see he is essentially the same player he has always been.

    That "hahahaha" is also my reaction when I read people saying how great he is without actually providing anything to back it up.

    The "hahahaha" is also my take when I see other comments attempting to discredit me when I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game that have been made. Unfortunately it does not appear the DeChosen anointed by some fans will allow any criticism of a game with serious flaws.


    Here are some hardcore facts worthy of a "hahahaha":

    1) When DeRozan was playing his best individual ball of the year the Raptors were losing,
    2) The Raptors are winning while DeRozan is playing his worst offensive ball of the year while JV, Ross, Amir, and Lowry are playing their best ball (coincidence? I think not),
    3) DeRozan's individual stats are practically identical in wins and losses except he plays about 3 minutes less in wins and he takes 2.5 shots less per game in wins than losses while he has 4.0 vs 2.8 assists in wins vs losses,
    4) He is without question an inefficient volume shooter: he is 12th in total FGA per game while 20th in total points; per game he is 8th in FGA while 16th in PPG.


    There is no question he has shown growth this year but that was not hard to begin with, to be honest. I also agree with OldSkool in waiting for a logical post proving how good DD is.



    And for once I'd love to see him guard the other teams best perimeter player.... just once. Not hating, just saying.
    This deserves a double post.

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    Second/third best shooting guard under 25 and we're itching to move him.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    I don't understand why people think Demar is no good without the ball, and that he can only be 'effective' with the ball in his hands. Demar's best stretch this season was when Rudy was here and he was playing off the ball more. More catch and shoots, especially in the corner, and when he did create for himself it was more often in the post.

    He is actually much better and a more efficient and impactful player when he plays off the ball. The Raps lost when Demar played his best was because, IMO, because Rudy was the first option, and he completely sucked in that role, while Demar was more suited to that secondary role than the primary role he is in now. Furthermore, and more importantly, while Rudy was here neither JV, Amir, Lowry, or even Ross were engaged and playing well, which probably had more impact on the teams success than Demar's individual performances. Remove Rudy, and now the ball moves around the court and all our starters have stepped up to play hard, engaged basketball. Amir and JV are no longer just perimeter screeners, they are actually involved more in the offense and getting touches, and as such as playing better.

    the difference here is night and day, and that was on Rudy's shoulders. He was the inefficient chucking black hole, and thank the lord he is gone. Now we got some interesting basketball to watch.

    Nonetheless, Demar is now back into that primary scoring role, which most of us know isn't the best option for Demar. As such, his shot selection and efficiency have dropped. I think Nosike's point is a valid one. Although it may be his choice, as Matt said, to take some of those inefficient 2's, he is the guy that is expected to take those on this team, not Ross, Amir, JV, Salmons. Lowry is the only other option, and if he did more of that, his percentages would suffer as well. At times, someone on the team is going to have to take the tough shot, and that burden is on Demar.

    I think he should get back to posting up more. no doubt he gets doubled, and this would help open things up more for others. He would be more effective creating for others in the post than off the dribble IMO. And I also think he needs to use his screens better (when he has the ball). Too often he seems to think of them as a decoy and then just takes a step to the side for a long two. Step back for three or use the screen to drive to the basket or a pull up within 15 ft is even ok. This is just what I see, I have no lovely stats to back any of this up.

    Demar is not gonna be an efficient player as the number one offensive option, but playing off the ball he can be very good.
    True, DD does not actually have the ball in his hands, because he is incapable of creating his own shot. Instead we need to dedicate 2 post players and Lowry in order to free him up for a catch and shoot of a long two...which is awful. So since he needs a play run for him specifically to score...I see him as a number 1 option and is therefor really not able to play off the ball, seeing as the ball is always intended to be passed to him (which is essentially dedicating the movement of the ball based on DD, in essence he is controlling the ball - hich is different than playing off the ball, say in the corner for a catch and shoot off of a drive, where the drive is the primary option)

    Was DD a more impactful and efficient player with Gay?? I don't remember so...I remember a ton of people clawing their eyes out and stating that DD and Gay were putting up some of the least efficient numbers in the history of the NBA. Stop saying he was efficient as a number 2 option. He wasn't. Its been proven for 3 years.

    The team got better post Gay because: Lowry, Val, Ross and Amir are now using Gay's offense rather than Gay...not DD, who is actually worse, and contributing less than normal.

    Bold: DD has been bad at screens for over 4 years...he is what he is He can't shoot the three off of a screen very well so that eliminates that option. He is awful at using screens, he doesn't attack them and usually takes 1 or 2 soft dribbles away from the screen and takes a contested 2 even though the screener is wide open and he is being doubled...this is what I see in the game when he has the ball in a PnR situation (which is what you were referring to right?)

    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    - has gone from "he is what he is....(I got stats, look, I got stats)"
    - to a number of posts reflecting the "I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game that have been made", enclosed in this very post
    - to returning to several incredibly lengthy, heavily stat nit-picked (while ignoring sound reasoning that stems from actual basketball knowledge, not stat studying) that reflect the "Unfortunately it has not even taken that long to see he is essentially the same player he has always been.", also enclosed in this post.

    Contradictions oozing all over the place. The back and forth flip-flopping within 28 games, not the chest pounding 40 mentioned is sad enough, but the 2 comments quoted above, in the same post is mind boggling. Particularly when the first one presented is the "same player he has always been" one,,,,,,,, which is soon followed by the "I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game" one, being used to garner sympathy votes in a whine about being "allowed" to criticize. wtf?

    Then we get more of the anecdotal stat "facts" that continues to ignore any sound basketball reasoning in favour of stats, man, I'm talking about stats,,, no basketball, we're talking stats............ and so on. To no surprise, followed by a challenge to supply stats,,,,, not basketball reasoning,,,, we're talking stats, not basketball, stats are the thing!

    "And for once I'd love to see him guard the other teams best perimeter player.... just once. Not hating, just saying"

    Maybe he needs to actually watch more games, and/or know what he's seeing? DeMar does guard other teams' best perimeter player, particularly since Gay has been gone,,,,,, and during this streak. Not all the time, but for shit sake, what the hell is expected? He expects that in the first year of his $9.5M deal (not max, not franchise player $), he should be both carrying the burden of #1 option on offense, AND covering the defense on the best player, all the time,,,,,, and producing great stats while doing it? Whine, whine, whine because he isn't a LeBron? How many damn players in the league can you say are the #1 option on offense AND consistently cover the opponent's best player? Except for the elite of the elite, that's a recipe for driving a kid into the ground. They're not effing robots! It's an illness, I tell ya. An illness, sadly enabled by many here.

    Bold 1: Stats are used to reinforce what we are saying, or disprove what we are thinking.

    Bold 2: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Ross says hi

    BTW I'm still waiting for a logical argument explaining why DD is good

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    Jeeeesuzzz, several posts in the last couple of days have served notice that the obsession is back in full swing, but this one shows signs of more serious illness.

    "My reaction all along has been lets wait and see what happens after 40 games, like half a season"

    Huh? Delusional or what? 28 games in, not 40,,,,,,,, 28 games in, this incessant (like the worst broken record in effing history) downer:

    - has gone from "he is what he is....(I got stats, look, I got stats)"
    - to a number of posts reflecting the "I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game that have been made", enclosed in this very post
    - to returning to several incredibly lengthy, heavily stat nit-picked (while ignoring sound reasoning that stems from actual basketball knowledge, not stat studying) that reflect the "Unfortunately it has not even taken that long to see he is essentially the same player he has always been.", also enclosed in this post.

    Contradictions oozing all over the place. The back and forth flip-flopping within 28 games, not the chest pounding 40 mentioned is sad enough, but the 2 comments quoted above, in the same post is mind boggling. Particularly when the first one presented is the "same player he has always been" one,,,,,,,, which is soon followed by the "I've been acknowledging on the strides in his game" one, being used to garner sympathy votes in a whine about being "allowed" to criticize. wtf?

    Then we get more of the anecdotal stat "facts" that continues to ignore any sound basketball reasoning in favour of stats, man, I'm talking about stats,,, no basketball, we're talking stats............ and so on. To no surprise, followed by a challenge to supply stats,,,,, not basketball reasoning,,,, we're talking stats, not basketball, stats are the thing!

    "And for once I'd love to see him guard the other teams best perimeter player.... just once. Not hating, just saying"

    Maybe he needs to actually watch more games, and/or know what he's seeing? DeMar does guard other teams' best perimeter player, particularly since Gay has been gone,,,,,, and during this streak. Not all the time, but for shit sake, what the hell is expected? He expects that in the first year of his $9.5M deal (not max, not franchise player $), he should be both carrying the burden of #1 option on offense, AND covering the defense on the best player, all the time,,,,,, and producing great stats while doing it? Whine, whine, whine because he isn't a LeBron? How many damn players in the league can you say are the #1 option on offense AND consistently cover the opponent's best player? Except for the elite of the elite, that's a recipe for driving a kid into the ground. They're not effing robots! It's an illness, I tell ya. An illness, sadly enabled by many here.
    LOL, why bother writing a novel in response to a guy you know has blocked you?

    It's almost like you enjoy arguing......but nah, that can't be it.
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