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    We can't control tank or anti-tank so what's the point in getting upset about it? Why not enjoy the games, and watching our guys develop and play good basketball? Ujiri will handle the roster changes, let's enjoy the on court product.

    So tired of people going all emo after every win/loss.

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    NO! #TankOrDie
    "Masai WILL win us a championship"
    - Tim Leiweke

    Ujiri: "One thing I can say for sure is that we will not be stuck in the middle."

    Reporter: "How can you say that?"

    Ujiri: "Because I can say that."

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    Quote KazanTheMan wrote: View Post
    NO! #TankOrDie
    I'm actually pro tank I'm just tired of people whining like preschoolers when we win. Tanking could be a good strategy but there are plenty of others available. I mean just look at the top teams in the league:

    Miami: free agency acquisitions
    Indiana: mid first rounders and late lottery picks, smart trades and signings
    Portland: trading for high draft pick (fleeced the nets lol), lottery picks, trades
    San Antonio: winning lottery then supplementing with many picks, accidental tank
    Oklahoma City: multi-year tank (what most of the people crying want)
    Houston: asset accumulation, excellent trades and signings, free agency
    Golden state: not a single top 5 pick on the roster, smart picks, trades and free agent signings
    Clippers: winning lottery, using that to acquire star in fa

    Many different methods and strategies available.

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    I love every second of a win. I was kinda hoping for a bad season to get a good pick, but after we took over Philly for first place a while back i said "fuck it", I'm just gonna enjoy the season for what it is. I have trust that the Masai Warrior will take this team to the next level eventually, even though we may miss out on a top pick this year. as long as they finish with a 3-6 spot we don't have to worry about Indy or Miami in the first round, and who's to say we can't take any other team out in round 1? That in itself could do wonders for the youngins, Val Ross and DeRozan. They can get a taste of some playoff success while being very young, and it could prove worthy to play a a Heat team or Pacer team in the second round, as they can see what it takes to play a serious contender.

    I'm with ya Nosike, enjoy the damn games and let Masai do his job! We have no control of what he does anyhow.

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    And who's to say Miami will look anything close to what they do now, next season? Big 3 could all leave town and we could be a top eastern team for years to come... ya neva know!

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    Me thinks that for a few, heels are dug in way too far to concede to "enjoyment". Might a few of those respond to a simple appeal to chill a little, perhaps allowing others to enjoy a little more? Maybe?

    Like at some point it's gotta get to,,,,,,,,,, don't fucking enjoy it if you insist, but let the person beside you enjoy some really fun, positive shit, man. Like, take a fucking break. Go lube the tank wheels,,,,, quietly,,,,, so it's ready when the call comes!!!! Go find some new tank ammo,,,,,,, quietly,,,,,, that's useful in a desert sand storm, in case it's needed. The old ammo has become rather tired and boring anyway.

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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    And who's to say Miami will look anything close to what they do now, next season? Big 3 could all leave town and we could be a top eastern team for years to come... ya neva know!
    Also injuries could be a factor come playoff time.

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    I'm actually pro tank I'm just tired of people whining like preschoolers when we win. .
    I whine, I bitch, I cheer, I scream, I applaud.... I'm a fan. i will do what I want

    Piss off yo!


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    Not to be a dick.. but why does it matter how people react to games? Why is it such a big deal if someone is upset with a win? If you as a person want to cheer for a win, well cheer loudly. If someone doesn't want to cheer for a win, well shouldn't that be their prerogative?

    This is a fan forum. I expect people to have different opinions or view points or else this site would get boring very quickly. Part of why I like coming here is to see the differing view points and it also allows me to throw in my two cents one in a while.

    Personally what gets tiring for me is when we see the same debate over and over and over again. But that's probably because I visit this site on a daily basis so I'm going to see a lot of repetition. Doesn't keep me away though. Always interested in fresh ideas and perspectives.

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    Is this really that big of a problem? I haven't been visiting as much over the Holidays but the overall vibe seems to be optimistic that the Raptors have something good going on right now. There are no doubt a couple people who are bemoaning the wins, but I'm sure it's just because they don't think the winning is sustainable or they feel that the franchise would be better served long term to grab a top five pick in this draft, which still was a valid point of view the last time I checked.

    The irony in creating this thread, is that you're practically asking those people to come in and defend their position, which is sure to add fuel to the fire to the types of discussion you are supposedly trying to stop.
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    All pro-tankers should admit they lost the battle and start cheering for a victories. We are 3-4th team in the East and nothing gonna change until Lowry gets traded
    (Sorry for poor English )

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    I really like the idea of discussion of all things going on the court.

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    lets discuss last nights game then.... lets start with any amazing execution you might have seen:


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    I think any team that plays the bulls is going to have to play ugly. The fact that we were able to play their style and still win, shows our resiliency.
    "Masai WILL win us a championship"
    - Tim Leiweke

    Ujiri: "One thing I can say for sure is that we will not be stuck in the middle."

    Reporter: "How can you say that?"

    Ujiri: "Because I can say that."

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    This team, as constructed can NOT tank.

    A few key moves can change everything though. Until those happen, I'm cheering for wins.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    lets discuss last nights game then.... lets start with any amazing execution you might have seen:

    Or maybe we could talk about how well Jonas and Amir defended the bulls front court, which is the main reason we won the game.

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    #CompeteNOW
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    I take issue with the implication that "pro-tankers" (regardless what their actual stated preferences for team-building are) have been the only antagonistic posters on RR this season. At times, folks from both sides have dug their heels in and been aggressive, blatantly or passively.

    I also take issue with the implication that "pro-tankers" don't still enjoy watching the team play well, the young players develop, or the team actually winning.

    As a "pro-tanker" (re-builder/re-tooler actually, as explained numerous times) I can cheer for the team as passionately as any "anti-tanker", despite my belief that the team would still be better served in the long-run by undergoing some degree of retooling/rebuilding (unfortunately many "anti-tankers" lump any such strategy into "tanking" far too often).

    I think the biggest problem throughout this debate is when posters make assumption about other posters' preferences, rather than taking the time to hear them out and consider those other perspectives for alternative team-building strategies. Far too many people react as though it's a black-and-white debate when, in fact, it's an issue with a massive gray area filled with many intriguing nuances associated with each alternative.

    If you want to avoid the animosity, I suggest posters take time to actually read posts and think them through objectively, rather than reacting with preconceived bias after simply seeing who made the post. Respect should also be given to all posts, whether you completely agree or vehemently disagree.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I take issue with the implication that "pro-tankers" (regardless what their actual stated preferences for team-building are) have been the only antagonistic posters on RR this season. At times, folks from both sides have dug their heels in and been aggressive, blatantly or passively.

    I also take issue with the implication that "pro-tankers" don't still enjoy watching the team play well, the young players develop, or the team actually winning.

    As a "pro-tanker" (re-builder/re-tooler actually, as explained numerous times) I can cheer for the team as passionately as any "anti-tanker", despite my belief that the team would still be better served in the long-run by undergoing some degree of retooling/rebuilding (unfortunately many "anti-tankers" lump any such strategy into "tanking" far too often).

    I think the biggest problem throughout this debate is when posters make assumption about other posters' preferences, rather than taking the time to hear them out and consider those other perspectives for alternative team-building strategies. Far too many people react as though it's a black-and-white debate when, in fact, it's an issue with a massive gray area filled with many intriguing nuances associated with each alternative.

    If you want to avoid the animosity, I suggest posters take time to actually read posts and think them through objectively, rather than reacting with preconceived bias after simply seeing who made the post. Respect should also be given to all posts, whether you completely agree or vehemently disagree.
    1. I don't think anyone is suggesting that pro tankers are the ONLY antagonistic ones. But a few are the most unrelenting ones, by a country mile. And whatever was going on months ago (as in "at times") is history. Some wish to still keep their heels dug in, and keep shouting it for all to hear. Some just want to enjoy whats happening, soak in the fun in watching this young team grow together, but it's hard when that booing fan in the seat beside you just won't stop for the entire game, even with the team playing so damn well.

    2. "I also take issue with the implication that "pro-tankers" don't still enjoy watching the team play well, the young players develop, or the team actually winning."
    Once again, it's not about ALL "pro-tankers", but the unrelenting few. Game threads alone can shine some light on that, as even they are not immune from people trying to rain on the team playing well and winning. Have a look at recent ones, including last night. That's the shit people are getting tired of, and have a right to say something.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I take issue with the implication that "pro-tankers" (regardless what their actual stated preferences for team-building are) have been the only antagonistic posters on RR this season. At times, folks from both sides have dug their heels in and been aggressive, blatantly or passively.

    I also take issue with the implication that "pro-tankers" don't still enjoy watching the team play well, the young players develop, or the team actually winning.

    As a "pro-tanker" (re-builder/re-tooler actually, as explained numerous times) I can cheer for the team as passionately as any "anti-tanker", despite my belief that the team would still be better served in the long-run by undergoing some degree of retooling/rebuilding (unfortunately many "anti-tankers" lump any such strategy into "tanking" far too often).

    I think the biggest problem throughout this debate is when posters make assumption about other posters' preferences, rather than taking the time to hear them out and consider those other perspectives for alternative team-building strategies. Far too many people react as though it's a black-and-white debate when, in fact, it's an issue with a massive gray area filled with many intriguing nuances associated with each alternative.

    If you want to avoid the animosity, I suggest posters take time to actually read posts and think them through objectively, rather than reacting with preconceived bias after simply seeing who made the post. Respect should also be given to all posts, whether you completely agree or vehemently disagree.
    Read my post again. I was not only talking to pro tankers (I am one myself for Petes sake).

    Notice I said "tank or anti-tank" and "win/loss". Nobody's attacking a particular group here.

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