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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    What kind of future assets are those ?? Late first round , 15+ in the first round ?? Guys like Joey Graham and ... We have a chance to make it NOW ... and then with the money off the books, sign a star this off season.

    Building via the draft does not make any sense for this team anymore.
    Don't give up on the draft...even if 15th pick.

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    It may be best to do nothing unless MU is able to fleece someone.

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    I really think ujiri knows what he's doing.

    We currently have a great starting 5 in place.

    We have a ton of flexibility moving forwards even if Lowry is resigned

    We have all our draft picks and then some. This is very similar to the situation Houston was in prior to trading for harden, except our team is actually younger and we have one elite prospect on the roster, and another who has demonstrated he can be a starter or great sixth man in this league.

    I'm so hyped, this is sick. First time in a long time the raptors have been looking up

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    If the Raps wait until free agency, how does the stretch provision work? Could they use it on Fields to create more financial space?

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    Quote psrs1 wrote: View Post
    Don't give up on the draft...even if 15th pick.
    Yep

    Look at Indiana.

    Hill - traded for 15th pick (kawhi)
    Stephenson - late first round pick iirc, maybe second round, someone check lol
    George - 10th
    Hibbert - 17th

    Is a mid round pick the best way to get a star? No. But is it very possible to get one there? Yes.

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    This team is showing heart and poise and discipline. Will another star help this team to pass Indiana and really make the life hard for Heat ...

    We have Hayes, Novak and Fields on the bench for 14 million. We have our 2014 draft pick ( middle of the first round) and NY 2015 and bunch of 2nd round picks ...

    How about combinations of these contracts with those picks for Gasol to come off the bench in Toronto ?

    We can make a real push for East this year and have 19 million off the books next season ... Is a middle of the 1st round pick in this season that important ?

    Just imagine a 1 and 2 punch of Big Val and Gasol against the bigs gf Indiana and Heat ... They will have no answer for us ...
    How does that trade help the Lakers? I don't think the 1st rounder is a soother for the extra money have to pay in luxury taxes.

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    How about Milsaps ... We need another star this season ...

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    How does that trade help the Lakers? I don't think the 1st rounder is a soother for the extra money have to pay in luxury taxes.
    It is ... they get some future talents, save over 20 million alone in taxes and ... We don't have to make trade with Lakers. There are other stars that can help us to seriously go for it this year and all we have to do is to say goodbye to our late first round pick in this year's draft.

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    It is ... they get some future talents, save over 20 million alone in taxes and ... We don't have to make trade with Lakers. There are other stars that can help us to seriously go for it this year and all we have to do is to say goodbye to our late first round pick in this year's draft.
    It doesn't soothe their tax problem, they'd still be paying taxes. A few other things:
    Hayes, as part of the trade, cannot be traded in combination with others until closer to the trade deadline. If he is to be traded at the moment, can only be traded on his own.
    Secondly, why would Toronto give up a 1st rounder in a deep draft? For a few months of Gasol? To make it to the 2nd round? It's not worth it.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Secondly, why would Toronto give up a 1st rounder in a deep draft? For a few months of Gasol? To make it to the 2nd round? It's not worth it.
    getting passed the 2nd round means playing in the East finals and having a chance at wining east !!! Why not ?? Aren't we competing now ? Gasol was just an example ... Our draft picks can get us another star ... We need to believe that we can beat Indiana , which we did and with another star and little bit of luck , maybe even Heat

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    For the sake of adding to the thread...zach randolf?

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    This team is showing heart and poise and discipline. Will another star help this team to pass Indiana and really make the life hard for Heat ...

    We have Hayes, Novak and Fields on the bench for 14 million. We have our 2014 draft pick ( middle of the first round) and NY 2015 and bunch of 2nd round picks ...

    How about combinations of these contracts with those picks for Gasol to come off the bench in Toronto ?

    We can make a real push for East this year and have 19 million off the books next season ... Is a middle of the 1st round pick in this season that important ?

    Just imagine a 1 and 2 punch of Big Val and Gasol against the bigs gf Indiana and Heat ... They will have no answer for us ...
    First of all, the Lakers won't do it. They want free agency, and this deal takes that away from them.
    Secondly, you never know what Ujiri could do with a mid round pick in a deep draft. He got Faried a few years ago. Why give up that chance for Gasol? Cap space? Well, how much of it do the Raptors realistically need? LeBron isn't coming. Neither is Bosh. Most of the free agents this summer are restricted. Maybe there's someone like Stephenson that can be signed but you don't need 40 mil in cap space to sign players like that. The Raptors already have more than enough room to make a good offer to someone like that and probably re-sign Lowry if they choose to.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    For the sake of adding to the thread...zach randolf?
    Even better ... Memphis knows they can not compete anymore. There are talks about blowing that team up. Imagine this line up:

    Lowry, DD, Ross, Zach, Big Val

    And you have a guys like Amir coming off the bench.

    Do you really think we can not beat Indiana and go to East finals then ??
    Do you really think a late 1st round pick in 2014 and 2015 from NY is better than Zach ?

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    getting passed the 2nd round means playing in the East finals and having a chance at wining east !!! Why not ?? Aren't we competing now ? Gasol was just an example ... Our draft picks can get us another star ... We need to believe that we can beat Indiana , which we did and with another star and little bit of luck , maybe even Heat
    Gasol is 33, and will be 34 in the summer. Has a host of injuries, and not to mention, a free agent at the end of the season. Chances are, he's looking for one last payday, and chances are, it won't be here. At the moment, this team is playing great, cohesive, team basketball. We're all enjoying it. However, with that being said, One bad stretch and this team is on the outside looking in. The fortunes of this team can turn in a hurry. We're not a contender. Not by a long shot. You don't build a championship team by giving up assets for short term gain. That's meant for teams on the cusp. We're not one of those teams. Slow and steady I say. No moves unless it improves the long term stability and growth of this team.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    For the sake of adding to the thread...zach randolf?
    Already pretty old. 32 and looking for another big contract. Also doesn't have a great injury history, or a history of very good conditioning. No thank you. Might be a good fit for a year or two, but not sure he's worth anything beyond that, and don't think he's worth the price he'll likely be seeking.

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    There is so much overreaction right now, it's crazy. We are playing some great ball right now, no doubt, but let's all take a step back for a second and ask ourselves a question: do you really think that this sort of play is sustainable for the rest of the season? The Raptors are really hot right now, but inevitably, we're going to cool off a bit. Overall, I think we're a 42-46 win team, with a real shot of reaching the second round. But beating the Pacers or Heat in a 7 game series, on the road? Next to impossible, and the thoughts of trading basically all our assets for a short-term rental, is ludicrous. Be patient, this team is just starting to gel, the play-off experience will help out for the future, and those assets can be used to help improve the team this summer, and build on what will hopefully be a play-off trip this year.

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    If you could get Gasol (or insert any other aging once all-star) for just the expiring contracts you might as well do it and see if you can make some noise in the playoffs, but trading a pick is a bad idea.

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    Rondo.

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    If you could get Gasol (or insert any other aging once all-star) for just the expiring contracts you might as well do it and see if you can make some noise in the playoffs, but trading a pick is a bad idea.
    This. And it can't compromise the long term financial well being of this team.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Rondo.
    That's a spicy meatball. However, chances are, we'd have to be taking back some of those bad contracts (ie Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass and Gerald Wallace). And in all likelihood, the deal would have to include Lowry, or the 1st round pick. Or both.

    EDIT: I hate to ruin chemistry by giving up Lowry, and I'd have to see how Rondo is with his ACL injury, and see him in game action before I give up anything for him.
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