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    Default Can't think of a superstar that fits better than Kevin Love

    - Elite passer and unselfish player, fits in will with the new ball-movement mantra that this team has.
    - Tenacious rebounder especially on the offensive glass, which is an area the Raptors have excelled in recently
    - Has deep three point range, can stretch the floor, which is going to give Jonas a ton of room on the block as well as leave driving lanes open for DeMar.
    - One of the best overall scorers in the league (2nd in the NBA atm with TS% just under 60).
    - 25 years old, only a year older than DeRozan, would fit right into this core in terms of youth. Hasn't necessarily peaked yet.

    The only real knock on him is on the defensive end, and I think getting him and losing Amir or moving Amir to the bench would probably hurt us defensively a bit. But if Jonas can mature as an anchor, I don't see it being a huge concern. This would also give us an extremely potent and consistent offence and allow DeRozan to assume a proper role of 2nd option that's more suitable to his talent level and skillset.

    The problem is I have no clue how we get him, especially if the Lakers have cap space in 2015. I think it's pretty clear he's going to want out of Minnesota though, with them consistently missing the playoffs and also not really being a big market at all. Maybe we could acquire him via trade. If Minnesota is looking to rebuild in a Love deal, we do have a lot of picks and expiring contracts we could potentially use to acquire him.

    Lowry/Ross/DeRozan/Love/Valanciunas would be so, so, so good.

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    He'd be nice, thats for sure.

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    He'd be nice, thats for sure.
    Could also set us up to make a run at the other Kevin in 2016... especially with them being USA teammates.

    Like I said, it'd be very difficult to get our hands on Love though. But if we have the trade assets, nothing is impossible. I don't see us being able to sign him outright though.

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    As a trade I don't see any scenario where Love comes and JV doesn't leave plus a fair bit more (Amir or Ross)

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    Unless of course Love wants to be here. Toronto is winning now, if they keep winning....and with the youth of the teams significant players.... he may decide its the place to be.

    Not everyone wants to play with Kobe....especially old broken Kobe.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Unless of course Love wants to be here. Toronto is winning now, if they keep winning....and with the youth of the teams significant players.... he may decide its the place to be.

    Not everyone wants to play with Kobe....especially old broken Kobe.
    This. If this team can keep up what they are doing, it may be a very attractive destination for a guy like Love, especially when compared to a rebuilding Lakers squad. That being said, the Lakers probably have the ability to 'rebuild' in two offseasons.

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    The NBA has shown they can rebuild LA in under 3 months.

    They have the technology

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    As a trade I don't see any scenario where Love comes and JV doesn't leave plus a fair bit more (Amir or Ross)
    That's cool if you "don't see any scenario" but stranger things have happened.

    Let's not forget that Houston was able to get Harden for KMart (expiring), Lamb and 2 1sts (with most of the other pieces being scraps). That's not much different than a trade of Amir + Prospect + Multiple 1sts. Not saying Minnesota would necessarily do that, but no need putting limitations and restrictions on what it might take to acquire Love.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    The NBA has shown they can rebuild LA in under 3 months.

    They have the technology
    Or not, like blocking the Chris Paul trade lol

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    Or not, like blocking the Chris Paul trade lol
    They actually screwed the Lakers over pretty hard with that. But there was nothing unfair about it considering the league was running the Pelicans (then Hornets) at the time. It was a pretty shitty trade, iirc the Hornets were getting like Kmart, Odom, Scola and Dragic, who were all solid players but not guys you want to rebuild with.

    The trade they ended up making was a lot better because they got Gordon and another 1st (which they "wasted" on Rivers), and it also allowed them to go into full rebuild mode and get The Brow.

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    wel that fucked with another NBA mandate, they had to slap a few hands there hahaha

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    They actually screwed the Lakers over pretty hard with that. But there was nothing unfair about it considering the league was running the Pelicans (then Hornets) at the time. It was a pretty shitty trade, iirc the Hornets were getting like Kmart, Odom, Scola and Dragic, who were all solid players but not guys you want to rebuild with.

    The trade they ended up making was a lot better because they got Gordon and another 1st (which they "wasted" on Rivers), and it also allowed them to go into full rebuild mode and get The Brow.
    I'm glad they did it, f*#k the Lakers!!

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    I'm glad they did it, f*#k the Lakers!!
    I agree.

    The team that actually benefitted the most from the CP3 blocked trade was Houston though, because they basically moved all the assets that they would have moved for Harden for Pau Gasol.

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    Quote Nosike wrote: View Post
    - Elite passer and unselfish player, fits in will with the new ball-movement mantra that this team has.
    - Tenacious rebounder especially on the offensive glass, which is an area the Raptors have excelled in recently
    - Has deep three point range, can stretch the floor, which is going to give Jonas a ton of room on the block as well as leave driving lanes open for DeMar.
    - One of the best overall scorers in the league (2nd in the NBA atm with TS% just under 60).
    - 25 years old, only a year older than DeRozan, would fit right into this core in terms of youth. Hasn't necessarily peaked yet.

    The only real knock on him is on the defensive end, and I think getting him and losing Amir or moving Amir to the bench would probably hurt us defensively a bit. But if Jonas can mature as an anchor, I don't see it being a huge concern. This would also give us an extremely potent and consistent offence and allow DeRozan to assume a proper role of 2nd option that's more suitable to his talent level and skillset.

    The problem is I have no clue how we get him, especially if the Lakers have cap space in 2015. I think it's pretty clear he's going to want out of Minnesota though, with them consistently missing the playoffs and also not really being a big market at all. Maybe we could acquire him via trade. If Minnesota is looking to rebuild in a Love deal, we do have a lot of picks and expiring contracts we could potentially use to acquire him.

    Lowry/Ross/DeRozan/Love/Valanciunas would be so, so, so good.
    -Can't play D
    -Doesn't seem to really elevate his teams

    You'll end up investing a max contract in him without knowing if he really is the guy to help get the team to the next level as he's never even been able to carry his Minnesota teams to the playoffs. And it's not like they've lacked talent.

    I don't know, I used to be all for going after Love thinking he'll fit, but watching his team struggle yet another year, I'm not too sold on him. I obviously wouldn't be pissed if we get him, but I'm skeptical of the overall results.

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    Could also set us up to make a run at the other Kevin in 2016... especially with them being USA teammates.

    Like I said, it'd be very difficult to get our hands on Love though. But if we have the trade assets, nothing is impossible. I don't see us being able to sign him outright though.
    Durant is actually the guy I see fitting in the best.

    -It would allow us to keep Amir or another glue-type at PF next to Jonas, therefore not crowding the post or taking touches away from him as he grows as an offensive player. This also lets us maintain a defence-first approach down low.

    -It would give us a long, solid 2-way franchise player, who can be a knock-down 3 pt shooter, a go-to guy, and a small ball PF when the need arises, and can defend the SF position quite well.

    -He's an unselfish player and one of the elite character guys in the league, with his intangibles arguably just as good as his tangibles and only behind LeBron.

    -Has proven that he elevates his team/teammates. He gets results from the way he plays, and everyone around him responds. ->This to me is what separates a guy a superstar, not numbers. It's the rarest quality to find in an elite player.

    If it's not Durant, we need a guy who presents similar qualities, especially on that last one. There's nothing worse than investing in a "superstar" who has little-to-no impact on your overall ceiling as a team. Minnesota's having their best season with Love around....and they're one game under .500. So I'm really not sold on him there.

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    Unless of course Love wants to be here. Toronto is winning now, if they keep winning....and with the youth of the teams significant players.... he may decide its the place to be.

    Not everyone wants to play with Kobe....especially old broken Kobe.
    What makes you think he cares at all about Kobe?

    He's a star. He'd probably see himself as the next great Laker to carry the franchise, replacing Kobe. Will Kobe even finish out his contract? He's had a complete tear of his Achilles, one of the worst injuries an aging athlete can have. And now a smaller injury clearly related to not being strong enough coming back from the first one. He may not last as long as he hopes.

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    I dunno, the fact that his D isn't up to par kind of takes away from what we've been doing well for the past couple of games. We can't risk having cracks in our defense, and having one at the PF spot gives me memories of JV and Bargs on the floor together last year (although JV has improved since then).

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    I think that whoever that player may be, MU will be very very picky about who he pays a max-level contract to. I don't see him as the type of GM that is going to give a max-level contract to just anyone, regardless of how good they are. Even at max-level, MU will look at the value he is getting, because any max-level contract is going to hinder the ability of the team to add complimentary pieces and develop. So, if adding that type of player to this current core, it will all be about fit. He isn't going to throw his hard earned flexibility out the window just for ANY superstar or elite talent. That player has to absolutely fit the TEAM he is trying to build, and within the identity that the team has, and of course to the best of MU's ability to determine that without actually having that player on the roster.

    MU will not want to add that max-level player only to find out he isn't the right fit and then either have to trade that player or rebuild the team around that player. I trust that MU will make the right decision, but I just hope that he doesn't throw an offer out there to the best available FA, if free agency is the way he went. Nor do I want him to dismember the team's identity for the best available player via trade.

    Of course, if the current direction and identity aren't what he has in mind, then my concerns here are really just rubbish.

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    Love is a top 10 player in the league.. so he would be an upgrade to anyone on the team. But saying that MU has talked about identity a lot.. and the first think you need to do before you bring in just anybody is consider that identity.

    There is a thread going on about that now.. but one of the things you keep hearing is gritty, defensive, team first, hard nosed, etc.. When I hear those words I'm not sure Love comes to mind.

    What would be perfect would be a young Kevin Garnett Maybe we could build a time machine and see if Minnesota would be willing to trade him instead

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Love is a top 10 player in the league.. so he would be an upgrade to anyone on the team. But saying that MU has talked about identity a lot.. and the first think you need to do before you bring in just anybody is consider that identity.

    There is a thread going on about that now.. but one of the things you keep hearing is gritty, defensive, team first, hard nosed, etc.. When I hear those words I'm not sure Love comes to mind.

    What would be perfect would be a young Kevin Garnett Maybe we could build a time machine and see if Minnesota would be willing to trade him instead
    exactly, and I have similar concerns with Durant, but at least we know Durant can exist on a good defensive team. And thats the problem with any max-level elite/superstar type player...it's hard to bring them in and hope they just fit with your identity, as many are responsible for their respective teams identity themselves, or in combo with other 'stars' in the lineup. Lebron would probably be the best fit, but realistically do the Raps actually have any chance at LBJ. Stern wouldn't like it, that's for sure...although he is on his way out, no?

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