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Thread: 1st Big: Healthy Hansbrough or Patterson?

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    The only backups who tend to be good in that regard are experienced bigs though. I can't think of one that'd be available. Maybe Camby if he were 3 or 4 years younger (and we didn't waive him)....but that type of guy. I wouldn't want a Mozgov, or even Indy's own Mahinmi, or any number of guys who I think would struggle as much or much more than Jonas.
    Goddamit white men, of course they would struggle as much or more than Jonas; that's why they're his backup.

    But yeah, I don't think there's a dire need for one of your two bigs of the bench to be a traditional centre, not in today's game. Which brings us whole circle back to the original idea of this thread: do you really have to choose between the two? Does it really matter which one of them is '1st' of the bench? Can we not just be happy that we currently have the second best bigs-off-the-bench combo in franchise history, (trailing only the storied pairing of JYD and Keon Clark?)

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Goddamit white men, of course they would struggle as much or more than Jonas; that's why they're his backup.

    But yeah, I don't think there's a dire need for one of your two bigs of the bench to be a traditional centre, not in today's game. Which brings us whole circle back to the original idea of this thread: do you really have to choose between the two? Does it really matter which one of them is '1st' of the bench? Can we not just be happy that we currently have the second best bigs-off-the-bench combo in franchise history, (trailing only the storied pairing of JYD and Keon Clark?)
    Of course they are backups and they should be worse, but my point is that our current bigs are just what you say...Arguably the best reserve bigs we've ever had. I'd take Hansbrough or Pat over JYD any day of the week. And as good as Clark was, he was an alcoholic freak who is probably lucky he lasted as long as he did in the league, so I'm ok with the slightly less talented guys we have as they both probably have better character and are dependable dudes.

    And I think what Hansbrough brings even as an undersized backup C is better than most backup Cs in the league, regardless of his size (he's still built solid). He plays a lot like a C, and would probably be his natural position skill-wise, PF being his default position because of height. I'd take Hansbrough any day of the week, unless, as I said, we could have a truly experienced vet with size behind JV....And I really can't think of one who'd be available, and am having a hard time thinking of any in the league right now. For awhile it was guys like Kurt Thomas and Camby, and Dikembe in his later years....

    I don't think it matters, and I may have already said I love having both and I love the mix of skills our bigs bring.

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    Hansbrough is listed as a game-time decision for tonight. I did not see him in the shoot-around yesterday, but this means he should be back at least on Monday against Milwaukee.

    Back to the topic, I agree that having a front court of Valanciunas, Johnson, Hansbrough, and Patterson would give Toronto great depth going forward. Hansbrough's contract is cheap, and Patterson is a restricted free agent. It should be doable if management wants it.

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    2 Pat.

    Gives you much more on offense with better consistency than Psycho T. Defense wise, I also think 2 Pat is better. The last few games his rotations have been awesome. He has shown he can guard the heavier and taller built guy with his athleticism. I find Psycho T gets backed down to easy sometimes. Psycho T obviously brings more on the glass than 2 Pat. That being said they are two completely different players. I love the aggression that Psycho T brings on the offensive end and the fouls he draws. 2 Pat is really good at stretching defenses and excels in the pick and pop. I love both players and this is without a doubt the best backup big man rotation in raptors history (Aaron Gray and Q Acy a close second )

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    They are two different players. Patterson is a stretch four that hansbrough could never dream of being. Banging inside however - there I take Hansbrough, but Casey will always find minutes for Patterson, the upside and talent is there and tonight was a great manifestation of that.

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    Both of them have their Pros and Cons, I like em both so we could have a Super PF

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    Quote JRedmond14 wrote: View Post
    2 Pat.

    Gives you much more on offense with better consistency than Psycho T. Defense wise, I also think 2 Pat is better. The last few games his rotations have been awesome.
    Yeh he is just very solid across the board imo, not just a shooter. He seems pretty smart as well. I enjoy what he brings to the team, and he's perfect for good minutes off the bench every game. Then again I've always felt Psycho T was a good player as well, and I think they can play together.
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    I really like Pat Pat (almost too much...), but Hansborough is a very, very useful player.
    I think having Hansborough as a 3rd big (if he`s cool with the role) is the stuff that championships are made of.
    He can just go in there, frustrate the hell out of every player on the other team, and then Pat Pat can come back and shoot 3s in their angry faces.

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    Patterson helped take over the game last night on both ends of the court. The moment that really stands out to me was a defensive stand. Patterson had a big block in the lane. The ball ended up with the Nets who started to cut, and Patterson quickly responded and drew the charge.

    We credit Hansbrough with his effort and toughness, largely because there isn't much else to his game. I don't think we give PatPat the same credit because he has more visible skill. He was a +40 last night!!!

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    i think you will see 2pat shifted into the starting role and hopefully offered an extension in the Amir Johnson mold. Amir will stay on as the backup as well as the backup center. Hansborough and Novak will be trade bait by the deadline. I think Hayes sticks around and is ultimately resigned after next season for that fourth big veteran depth 12minute a night role. Alos you can argue with me about 2pat starting but he is earning it and im not sure where the knock onhis defense is coming but he hedges hard on defense can switch out on most threes and even a lot of twos, can block shots and is very vocal. Also if you look at his development track its been very rocky. The best is yet to come with him.

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    not to mention the spacing a Lowry, 2Pat Ross tandem will allow on the floor

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    i think you will see 2pat shifted into the starting role and hopefully offered an extension in the Amir Johnson mold. Amir will stay on as the backup as well as the backup center. Hansborough and Novak will be trade bait by the deadline. I think Hayes sticks around and is ultimately resigned after next season for that fourth big veteran depth 12minute a night role. Alos you can argue with me about 2pat starting but he is earning it and im not sure where the knock onhis defense is coming but he hedges hard on defense can switch out on most threes and even a lot of twos, can block shots and is very vocal. Also if you look at his development track its been very rocky. The best is yet to come with him.
    I think he is more useful off the bench at this point, especially considering Amir's style of play.
    He gives us a legitimate scoring option off of the bench, while Amir can clean up the misses of the starters.
    I think I prefer it this way.

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    Patterson is a better player.

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    Project Pat is quickly becoming one of my favorite players. I love how everything they said he was terrible at in Sac before the trade he's proven to be good at. He's a fantastic first big off the bench imho.
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