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vino wrote: View PostLosing Lowry is not an option regardless of the direction. Giving him 5 years is a no-no in my mind; I'd offer him around 8 mil/per for three years. Maybe a team option for forth year. Truth is, the Raps are destined for playoffs this year not because they are great and the team is a contender. The weak East is just that much more shitty this year for obvious reasons and just some bad luck/management (both NY teams). Can this team have a home court in 2-3 years? Who knows... maybe. I don't think this team core will ever be a contender; there is no illusion in my mind. We definitely still need more talent. I just know that the tank has dissipated long time ago. I trust MU will be able to add the right pieces at the right time. Slowly.
Other teams in the East will be better next season, there is no doubt. Let's see how this pans out.
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enlightenment wrote: View PostThats me before the season started on some other tanking thread. If everyone is tanking in the East, we might as well take advantage of weak competition and shoot for the playoffs. In light of the new circumstances, and of Brooklyn and New York being duds, we can shoot for the 3rd seed in the East!!!!
This is the ultimate zigging when others zag. This means a division championship banner, this means home court advantage against the 6th seed (2nd round??), this means recognition, respect, reputation for our players. This means inflated value. This is the path we need to head down.
2nd bold: you don't think the entire league realizes how shit the east is?
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FoxMachine wrote: View Post1st bold: do people really actually care about those around here?
2nd bold: you don't think the entire league realizes how shit the east is?Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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Axel wrote: View PostAgreed. The idea that the Raps get any respect by making the playoffs this year is a joke. The rest of the league will be shaking their heads and laughing as they draft studs and easily surpass us next year and beyond.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostWhat happens when Lowry declines that offer? Losing him becomes a serious possibility.
More than 2/3 of teams committed to starting PGs already:
Boston............Rondo
Brooklyn..........DWill + well over cap
Philly..............M C Williams
Dallas.............Jose
Houston..........just NOT going to happen
Memphis.........Conley
Spurs.............Parker
Bulls...............Rose
Cavs..............Irving
Indiana...........Hill, $8M/yr for 3 more years
Denver............Lawson
Minny.............Rubio
OKC...............Westbrook
Portland..........Lillard
Jazz...............Burke
Atlanta...........Teague
Charlotte........Walker
Washington.....Wall
GSW..............Curry
LAC...............CP3
Suns..............Dragic/Bledsoe
These teams are not going to pay big $ for a bench PG, not to say Lowry is the least likely to accept such a role
Teams that might be interested, but well over the cap:
Knicks
Miami
Only possible competition:
Detroit: But they do have $8M, $8.3M committed to Jennings over 2 years, aside from I think they'd have to waaaaaay overpay him to entice him to play with that dysfunctional bunch. I just can't see him going there for a few extra $$$
Milwaukee: If Milwaukee is the only competition,,,, just like Pistons, they'd have to offer an insane amount of $$$ I don't see it, but..... could they get their PG of future in the draft? Exum, Smart?
Sacramento: They seem very high on Thomas, and will have to sign him, but biggest obstacle is Cousins is due a new contract that will likely push them over the cap. but I guess a remote possibility. Don't see it
Orlando: they could be interested, depending on who they snag in the draft. If it's Exum or Smart, are they going to give a big contract to Lowry? And does Lowry want to move from here to a team that has much more to do in rebuilding?
Lakers: Huge amount of cap coming up, but they seem to have sights set on bigger fish than Lowry. Again though, would Lowry go there for anything less than a huge contract? He'd be worried that a healthy Nash could relegate him to the bench, and/or he'd have to accept being Kobe's ballboy
At the end of the day, there will be very little competition for his services and none of them offer near the ideal situation that Lowry finds himself in here. I know there's worry about the "contract year" thing, but there seems to be some clear indications that his play goes way beyond that and that he's loving the situation here, and the role he's playing in it. For one thing, it seems clear he relishes a leadership role, and it's clearly his here. With management's commitment to strive for the top, the team's commitment to playing the right way, and his role in it, it's going to be very tough for any of the few possibilities to pry him away.Last edited by p00ka; Thu Jan 9, 2014, 03:03 PM.
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Axel wrote: View PostAgreed. The idea that the Raps get any respect by making the playoffs this year is a joke. The rest of the league will be shaking their heads and laughing as they draft studs and easily surpass us next year and beyond.
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p00ka wrote: View PostDetroit: But they do have $8M, $8.3M committed to Jennings over 2 years, aside from I think they'd have to waaaaaay overpay him to entice him to play with that dysfunctional bunch. I just can't see him going there for a few extra $$$
Milwaukee: If Milwaukee is the only competition,,,, just like Pistons, they'd have to offer an insane amount of $$$ I don't see it, but
Lakers: Huge amount of cap coming up, but they seem to have sights set on bigger fish than Lowry.
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FoxMachine wrote: View Post1st bold: do people really actually care about those around here?
2nd bold: you don't think the entire league realizes how shit the east is?
Look RIGHT NOW at the respect that TRoss is getting around the league. The Miami Heat announcers were going on about Derozan playing like an All-star. Lowry is getting recognition and his trade value has already skyrocketed compared to the rumours we heard earlier this year.
This is what inflated value means. When your team is losing, its easy to point at a player with good stats and say: Good stats on a Bad team.
But if the Team is freaking 3rd seed that is a null argument. Demars percentages are easier to swallow because it leads to wins. Demars reputation is despite his lowered percentage, because we are winning.
so 1st bold: I love seeing the Division banner, it reminds me of the Anthony Parker, Garbo, Nesterovic team.
2nd bold: Is the east bad, or is the west just ridiculously good? Does it matter? 3rd best team in a 15 team conference is clearly going to lead to the respect, recognition, and reputation I was referring to.The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
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magoon wrote: View PostMove Jennings to SG (or trade him). Kyle at point. Assume they trade Monroe rather than resign him and play Smith at PF, they get a good SF in the draft? That's the start of a good team. I think Detroit is a serious contender to sign Lowry, possibly THE most serious contender (it's them or LA, and Joe Dumars will be willing to overpay).
Milwaukee will have a shiny high pick coming to the team and Giannis continuing to get more amazing and will tell Kyle, straight up, it's his offense to run, period, end of story. Milwaukee has had INSANELY bad injury luck this year and will have money to move. I think they seriously make an offer.
If Lowry gets an All-Star nod (and there's a good chance of that happening) then he's going to be one of the bigger fish available, and more importantly he'll be the best PG available for a rich-ass team that needs a PG. Kobe + good draft pick + cheaper Pau + Carmelo maybe? I think Kyle takes a long, hard look at that possibility.
Boston is also another huge darkhorse in my mind, if they were to move Rondo this season.
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