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    Default Kyle Lowry AND DeMar DeRozan all stars??

    Interesting article today by Wolstat where he has both DD and Lowry making the all star team.

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/courtside/bask...ll-star-picks/

    I think Lowry is definitely an all-star. And i think DeRozan is right there as well. He's a huge part of this team. He's their go to guy whenever they need 2pts. He's the closer. But i just have a hard time believing that 2 Raps makes the all-star team.

    Frank Vogel though made a great point the other day: "I think when you only have four teams plus .500 in the East, then those four teams should be heavy with all-star consideration,” Vogel said pre-game Tuesday.

    “I think those two guys(DeRozan and Lowry) are definitely deserving, they’re not guys that are just there because their team is doing well, I think they’re deserving (based on how well they’ve played)
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    What do you think??

    Btw, one player that is missing on Wolstat's list is Joe Johnson. He's on fire right now. Playing like an all-star for the Nets.
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    Joe Johnson is playing for the Nets though. Im pretty sure their record disqualifies him.

    I definitely think both Lowry and Derozan can make the All-star game this year. I just wish Derozan would increase his FG%, and he would look a lot more attractive.
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    They way both Lowry and DeRozan have been playing so far this year, I'd say they both deserve it.

    Hanging with the league's elite will only help their confidence (especially for DeRozan, who seems to be somewhat impressionable still).
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    Either one is deserving I think, but they need votes. I don't know where those are going to come from.
    Also, the article says that Dwane Casey should be a coach for the ASG. But... they don't play defense in the ASG


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    There going to make it based on the teams record, So if it was down to like Kemba walker, Joe Johnson etc they would pick derozan and Lowry over them both based of how the team is doing

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    Look at it this way, just based on the current All-Star balloting for the east.

    Frontcourt:

    1. LeBron James (Mia) 1,076,063
    2. Paul George (Ind) 899,671
    3. Carmelo Anthony (NYK) 702,869
    4. Roy Hibbert (Ind) 385,964
    5. Chris Bosh (Mia) 304,986
    6. Kevin Garnett (BKN) 164,021
    7. Joakim Noah (Chi) 128,201
    8. Andre Drummond (Det) 120,844
    9. Tyson Chandler (NYK) 101,637
    10. Jeff Green (Bos) 96,336
    11. Luol Deng (Cle) 90,730
    12. Carlos Boozer (Chi) 80,271
    13. Paul Pierce (BKN) 72,581
    14. David West (Ind) 61,612
    15. Brook Lopez (BKN) 58,477

    Backcourt:

    1. Dwyane Wade (Mia) 718,109
    2. Kyrie Irving (Cle) 652,522
    3. Derrick Rose (Chi) 323,099
    4. John Wall (Was) 278,516
    5. Ray Allen (Mia) 190,086
    6. Rajon Rondo (Bos) 133,448
    7. Deron Williams (BKN) 95,309
    8. George Hill (Ind) 89,428
    9. Lance Stephenson (Ind) 77,364
    10. DeMar DeRozan (Tor) 68,985

    There is nobody on the frontcourt list beneath Joakim Noah who really deserves to be on the All-Star team and is healthy (and Kevin Garnett doesn't deserve to be on it either). MAYBE you can make a case for David West or Andre Drummond. On the backcourt list, D-Wade and Kyrie get the starts, that's easy, and then? Rose, Rondo and Williams are all injured and didn't deserve to be there anyway. Ray Allen is a roleplayer, not a starter; he won't get a nod.

    My point is: I can easily see an All-Star team as follows:

    STARTERS
    D-Wade
    Kyrie
    LeBron
    PG
    Melo

    BENCH
    Wall
    Lowry
    Stephenson
    DeMar
    Hibbert
    Bosh
    Noah

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    Quote consmap wrote: View Post
    Either one is deserving I think, but they need votes. I don't know where those are going to come from.
    Also, the article says that Dwane Casey should be a coach for the ASG. But... they don't play defense in the ASG


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    What votes??

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    I've always hated the way team records impact all-star voting (or even MVP voting, but that's an entirely different thread). Yes, some players will put up inflated numbers when playing for a bad team, but some bad teams still have players that are legitimately all-star caliber players.

    I think both Lowry and DeRozan will get serious consideration, with Lowry likely being slightly more likely to represent Toronto.

    I also hope to see both Valanciunas & Ross suiting up for the Sophomores this season.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    What votes??

    All Star reserves are chosen by the head coaches from each teams conference.
    Well, between the Gay trade and the All-star break, they'll play every team in the eastern conference except Cleveland, so they'll definitely have a chance to make their argument.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    What votes??

    All Star reserves are chosen by the head coaches from each teams conference.
    Didn't know that. Sorry


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    I guess it also helps DD and Lowry's chances of making the team because Vogel will coach the team this year.
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    Joe Johnson is playing for the Nets though. Im pretty sure their record disqualifies him.

    I definitely think both Lowry and Derozan can make the All-star game this year. I just wish Derozan would increase his FG%, and he would look a lot more attractive.
    Yeah Johnson's been hitting some clutch shots but 15-3-2 on a losing team ain't THAT impressive. Not all star material IMO.
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I've always hated the way team records impact all-star voting (or even MVP voting, but that's an entirely different thread). Yes, some players will put up inflated numbers when playing for a bad team, but some bad teams still have players that are legitimately all-star caliber players.
    If they're legitimately All-Stars they'll eventually make their team good enough and get in to the All-Star game.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I've always hated the way team records impact all-star voting (or even MVP voting, but that's an entirely different thread). Yes, some players will put up inflated numbers when playing for a bad team, but some bad teams still have players that are legitimately all-star caliber players.

    I think both Lowry and DeRozan will get serious consideration, with Lowry likely being slightly more likely to represent Toronto.

    I also hope to see both Valanciunas & Ross suiting up for the Sophomores this season.
    Remember Monta Ellis scoring 25pts a game for the warriors when he was with them, he led all guards in scoring but never made any all star teams because GSW would win like 20 games a year

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    Default DeRozan & Lowry: Casey pushing hard for all-star selctions (TSN)

    Good article and insight into the behind-the-scenes campaigning that goes on!

    LINK: http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=440870


    I think they're definitely both worthy of strong consideration, with Lowry probably slightly ahead of DeRozan.

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    I think Lowry is more deserving. But DeRozan is a pretty popular player. Opposing teams coaches speaks very highly of him whenever they get asked about the Raptors. So i'd put my money on DD. But i wouldn't be surprised if both gets in.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I think Lowry is more deserving. But DeRozan is a pretty popular player. Opposing teams coaches speaks very highly of him whenever they get asked about the Raptors. So i'd put my money on DD. But i wouldn't be surprised if both gets in.
    It would be a pretty incredible story to see 4 Raptors make the all-star festivities this season; Lowry & DeRozan in the all-star game and Valanciunas & Ross in the R/S game!

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    It would be a pretty incredible story to see 4 Raptors make the all-star festivities this season; Lowry & DeRozan in the all-star game and Valanciunas & Ross in the R/S game!
    It would trump Bosh, Jorge and Andrea.

    I don't think it trumps Wince and Davis though...

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    Interesting bit re campaigning, and also this point was interesting:

    DeRozan should have a favourable shot at earning recognition from the league's coaches. DeRozan is highly thought of as a hard working, evolving player and has been universally praised by opposing coaches this season, whereas Lowry has developed a reputation for being somewhat combative.
    I tend to look at the player list and think 'these guys played best basketball so far, they are all stars." Lowry to me is the Raptors all star. In reality though, there's human element in voting. Would Kevin McHale vote for Lowry? Or some coach who decides "Ok, the Raptors are a .500 team, they don't deserve more than one all star", will he be tempted to give his vote to the "hard working Raptor that I'd love to coach"?

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    Team record, and team depth should be considered for close calls. It shouldn't be a main driver though and I don't think it is with coaches. The best players this season deserve into the game in my opinion...

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