Think of me as a Charles Barkley: I'm so used to sticking my fat ass in the way, that though it does wonders for the cause sometimes, other times it just gets in the way, and occasionally it even gets a foul call. Maybe not a foul this time, but if I got in the way of what some of you call good discussion, I'll stay out of the way from here.
I don't think you trade JV as that would make the center position thin and very difficult to fill. Centers make a lot of money.. even Kwame made more than the mid-level (after he was already considered a bust). If the idea is to trade him to draft Embiid.. then you have lost 2 years of development in your own center to now develop another center.
So I don't trade JV.. instead I wait about a year or two and then look for trades. T-Rob has been traded twice and that was from a draft 2 years ago. Barnes has been a guy people think they have a shot at for example. If the Raptors end up getting a mediocre pick due to their draft standings let's hope that MU and Weltman knock it out of the park. If they want one of the top guys like Wiggins/Randle/Exum/Smart/etc.. well let's hope you can trade for them while they are still green, and the team that has them has no patience to develop them. At that point you could get them for a bargain where the price tag does not include JV. Because there is a big risk in trading JV for a guy who may end up being worse than JV but also plays a position that is much easier to fill (PG/wing).
Whether you think this team needs a rebuild to be championship contender (and I think it probably does)trading JV is probably not a good move (even if it's part of a package for a number 1-3 pick). Just because a trade involving him probably isn't worth it doesn't mean that he's a franchise player that means we should try to acquire a top 5 player league wide.
"They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
I wouldn't be surprised if Masai has notes in his head about the relative value of every player on the team. Obviously JV isn't untradeable. It's just that a trade is unlikely to be offered that has enough value for Masai to consider.
There is nothing wrong with doing this kind of a thought experiment. It reveals to everyone else on the forum just how out of whack each RR members valuations are with every others, and shows who the biggest homer over-valuators are. (smile)
If you trade him by himself you get 11-16 pick in the draft, You trade him with ross you get 8-12 pick in the draft and if you trade him with ross and our first rounder you probably get a 7-11 pick in the draft. If Jv was in this draft he would probably go top 10, I would say around 6-9 depending on the team and Ross would go anywhere from 13-18 again depending on the team picking him
I think it's not unreasonable to believe that JV's value is something like a 6th pick at best. Just because the top5 guys are all superstar material: Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, Randle, Exum all look like franchise players. Obviously Jonas can't compete with them.
Also, even if Masai decides to trade Jonas, I don't think he'll settle with a 6th-7th pick in this draft - that's just too low of a value for him. He'd be better off packaging Val + filler for a proven star.
Last edited by omgsomuchpotential; Tue Jan 14th, 2014 at 09:21 AM.
I'm starting to think that the hype behind this draft class is not warranted. PHD Steve had a really good podcast last week talking about how none of the main guys are really dominating at the college level like Melo, and Durrant did in college. That's not to say that there isn't a franchise player or two in the draft class, but it's not as much of a sure thing as in the class of LeBron, Wade, Melo...these guys might be more along the Chris Bosh level.
Time will tell obviously but it's not like OMG the top 5 picks are going to get franchise players and will immediately leapfrog the Raptors.
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