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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    I don't see us bringing back Hansbrough or Vasquez, which should leave us with around $8-9M to play with, plus whichever exception we end up with.
    True, but they'll still need to add rotation players to replace them, in order to at least sustain this season's level of competitiveness.

    I could very well see this team finish in the #3 spot in this year's EC, but I worry that it's not a sustainable level of success. Obviously, that's just my opinion, which is why I said it would be interesting to know MU's thoughts about this team's success this particular season.


    Here's a look at the team's financial situation, heading into next season:

    2014-15
    - DeRozan: $9.5
    - Johnson: $7.0
    - Fields: $6.25
    - Hayes: $5.96
    - Valanciunas: $3.68
    - Novak: $3.45
    - Ross: $2.79
    - Salmons: $1M guaranteed ($7.0 full)
    - Hansborough: $1M guaranteed ($3.33 full)
    - Lowry (cap hold): $9.32
    - Patterson (QO / cap hold): $7.76
    - Vasquez (QO / cap hold): $5.38

    TOTAL: $71.42M* (if Salmons & Hansborough are not bought-out and no cap holds are renounced)

    TOTAL: $63.09M* (if Salmons & Hansborough are bought-out and no cap holds are renounced)

    TOTAL: $49.95M* (if Salmons & Hansborough are bought-out and Patterson & Vasquez are renounced)

    * a cap hold would also be added to the total, to account for the 1st round draft pick

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    I just want you guys to agree with me that everyones having career years
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    Alright how much $$$ would we have if we renounced everyone we could minus Project Pat and didn't resign Lowry?

    I'm not saying HOLY SHIT I HATE LOWRY DIE DIE DIE i'm just interested is all
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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post

    Are we legitimately a top 5 or 6 team, or do the New York teams, and some other Western conference teams, just have to catch up?
    Yes we are

    Who is above us ? San Antonio , OKC, Heat and Indiana ??

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    Yes we are

    Who is above us ? San Antonio , OKC, Heat and Indiana ??
    blazers, warriors, clippers...
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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    Yes we are

    Who is above us ? San Antonio , OKC, Heat and Indiana ??
    Portland?

    Golden State?

    Clippers?

    Houston?

    Dallas?
    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    I just want you guys to agree with me that everyones having career years
    Just in terms of Ross and Val: this is at the very least the new normal. Actually, no, wait - it's only going to get better



    *Edit* Well, maybe not Ross' 3pt shooting.
    Last edited by JimiCliff; Mon Jan 13th, 2014 at 12:34 PM.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Alright how much $$$ would we have if we renounced everyone we could minus Project Pat and didn't resign Lowry?

    I'm not saying HOLY SHIT I HATE LOWRY DIE DIE DIE i'm just interested is all
    $48.39M in committed contracts, plus the cap hold for the team's 1st round draft pick (dependent on draft spot).

    As Primer said, the team would likely have about $8M of cap space available.

    The depth chart would look like this (excluding the 1st round pick):

    C: Valanciunas, Hayes
    PF: Johnson, Patterson
    SF: DeRozan, Novak
    SG: Ross, Fields
    PG: -

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    $48.39M in committed contracts, plus the cap hold for the team's 1st round draft pick (dependent on draft spot).

    As Primer said, the team would likely have about $8M of cap space available.

    The depth chart would look like this (excluding the 1st round pick):

    C: Valanciunas, Hayes
    PF: Johnson, Patterson
    SF: DeRozan, Novak
    SG: Ross, Fields
    PG: -
    hmm not that much. we really need to work on flipping novak and (somehow) fields
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    The one thing I would put out there for people to think about, and maybe it's just being optimistic, but come playoff time, if the Raptors have jelled enough to the point where we are a legitimate top 7 or 8 defense, then I don't doubt we can beat anyone not named Miami or San Antonio.

    We've always played Indiana well, and they aren't exactly a scoring dynamo. If it's a war of attrition I would put my money on our defense limiting their scoring just enough to out score them ourselves because we spread our scoring out so well between everyone.

    It's going to take a solid defense though to win in the playoffs and that's why I'm intrigued about how good Casey can get this team to be. Pretty impressive considering our starting Centre is still getting benched for missing defensive assignments, our small forward is severely undersized, and our SG is a sub par defender (though has stepped it up, as of late), and to boot 3 of our main bench guys have only been with the team for less than 15 games now? Casey deserves credit, but that is for another thread.

    Our path in the playoffs will be determined by our D, ... and just as I write this post, I see we've slipped in defensive rankings on nba.com to 13th....fak..
    Last edited by Mediumcore; Mon Jan 13th, 2014 at 12:33 PM.

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    Big issue too though is experience. Not a lot of the guys, key guys especially, have much if any playoff experience. It doesn't really matter how good you are during the regular season, playoffs are a different beast.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    hmm not that much. we really need to work on flipping novak and (somehow) fields
    If MU is working on any sort of 2/3-year plan, to be truly competitive in the 2015-16 or 2016-17 seasons, everything is looking good from a financial perspective. Hayes & Fields are both assets (ie: expiring contracts) next season, with Novak expiring the following season.

    Re-signing Lowry this offseason and then Johnson the following offseason, would be MU seriously committing to a JV/TR/DD/KL/AJ core for the long-term.

    Between young players on decent value contracts, expiring deals and some good trade chips, MU is slowly building himself lots of roads to potentially go down.

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    that's true enough. the 2014 free agent pool isn't exactly the most appetizing.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    That's ridiculous. Lowry has played like this in the past. DeMar has just gotten better just like a 24 year old is suppose too. Ross is doing what he was advertised to be able to do with he got drafted. No one is really playing out of their minds. This level of play is sustainable


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    doubtful. for example pattersons numbers are nowhere near sustainable. right now hes shooting better 3point fg% than steve nash's numbers, ray allen, korver etc etc.

    sure lowry has played like this in the past. hes also had long stretches where he HASN'T played like this for a while.

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    I think after years of losing everyone is having a hard time committing themselves to beleive this team might legitimately good. I'm enjoying the winning now, but it's going to take until after the all star game for me to beleive this team could possibly contend anytime in the near future.
    Nailed it. We're extremely pessimistic fans, I must say though, I do believe in the team right now, it'll just be nice to have the confirmation after the all-star break.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Big issue too though is experience. Not a lot of the guys, key guys especially, have much if any playoff experience. It doesn't really matter how good you are during the regular season, playoffs are a different beast.
    That's a good point, but Detroit minus J-Smoove is inexperienced, ditto Washington, and I would expect Chicago to miss the playoffs with either Boston, Charlotte or Clevland making their way in. That would be 4 playoff teams in the East (including Toronto) with no experience. Hopefully after the first round the Raptors will have found their sea legs.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    that's true enough. the 2014 free agent pool isn't exactly the most appetizing.
    Perhaps MU tries to extend Lowry on a front-loaded contract (or one with multiple option years) and re-signs Patterson & Vasquez to short-term deals, similar to his approach this season. That would maintain his flexibility going forward and maintain the trade value of his assets. Not that I expect his dealing to be done...

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    That's a good point, but Detroit minus J-Smoove is inexperienced, ditto Washington, and I would expect Chicago to miss the playoffs with either Boston, Charlotte or Clevland making their way in. That would be 4 playoff teams in the East (including Toronto) with no experience. Hopefully after the first round the Raptors will have found their sea legs.
    Nene & Ariza provide some experience for Washington. Cleveland (Deng, Jack, Varejao) and Charlotte (Jefferson) both have some playoff experience as well.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post

    We've always played Indiana well, and they aren't exactly a scoring dynamo. If it's a war of attrition I would put my money on our defense limiting their scoring just enough to out score them ourselves because we spread our scoring out so well between everyone.
    I think Indiana could beat the Heat this year. Granger is giving them bench scoring. Stephenson is playing really well - should be an allstar this year. Scola is an upgrade over #50. Yeah, we played them well - I was at the game on Jan 1st and lost my voice... but we're a long way behind the Pacers at this point.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Perhaps MU tries to extend Lowry on a front-loaded contract (or one with multiple option years) and re-signs Patterson & Vasquez to short-term deals, similar to his approach this season. That would maintain his flexibility going forward and maintain the trade value of his assets. Not that I expect his dealing to be done...
    I wouldn't be surprised if MU used the stretch provision on Fields. His expiring contract will still have little value. You can bring his cap commitment down from $6.25M to around $2M for the next 3 years.

    That's an extra saving of about $4M off the cap in case they are interested in a significant free agent. Although I don't think MU is in a hurry to contend.

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