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Game #37: Toronto Raptors 83 - Boston Celtics 88
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psrs1 wrote: View PostCalgaryRapsfan you may be a moderator but I hope the same rules regarding tone would apply to you. I found this response condescending and arrogant. The context of my comment regarding KL was what should MU do if cannot optimize value pre-trade deadline. I know you are pro **** which is fine. Sometimes the right deal does not come along and circumstances dictate the course. It is not poor asset management seeing how things go this year and trying to either extend or re-sign KL in off season . In fact trading just to a trade figuring he will walk is doubly crippling in that you don't get full value for him and send a negative message to young players like TR JV and DD.
I in fact started a thread previously suggesting that It may be worthwhile to extend Lowry.
I suspect you do not regard me well which is fine. Just because you are a moderator does not mean you always right.
Getting to the conference finals may be an achievable goal this year depending upon how things play out, match ups and injuries. I want a championship team too. I am confident MU is fully aware of all the scenarios and risks involved re KL.
It is possible we lose KL and get nothing though I suspect he will return.
I'll leave you with two scenarios and tell you my preference.
Scenario one we trade KL for a 2nd round pick and backup PG prior to trade deadline. We then proceed to lose in first round of playoffs.
Scenario two we keep KL and he signs $40 M 4 year deal elsewhere but we make conference finals and lose in 6 to miami. TR DD and JV make improvements in their games during this process.
I would choose option two. What would be your choice?
I would rather trade Lowry this season, re-sign him to an extension in the offseason, or S&T him in the offseason, instead of losing him for nothing.
My rationale about it being a double negative is that he's been the engine driving this team, so to lose him without winning a championship would just seem like a waste, since the team would very likely take a huge step backwards as a result. If the team winds up taking a step backwards because a key component of the core is lost for no return (and I would hope MU is doing his job and has an idea as to Lowry's future plans, even if no extension is signed during the season, for obvious reasons), then it seems like a completely lost season to me; if destined to take a step back this offseason, wouldn't ****ing this season have been far more effective an approach to the long-term?
I completely respect a decision not to ****, but I don't see how such a decision this season can be capped off by letting such an integral part of the team leave for nothing.
Your scenarios don't really make sense, as far as my initial post is concerned - I think you missed the point entirely. All I was saying is that the worst-case scenario for the Raptors would be to keep the core together this season, only to wind up losing Lowry for nothing in return.
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planetmars wrote: View Post****ing teams gel when the team trades someone of value.…. The Raptors went on a roll when Gay was traded.. as did Chicago when Deng got moved.. So it's not an earth shattering loss. What gets me though has been Amir's play. He's been awful.. he needs some kind of a break. Did his puppy die? I don't get it.
Amir's last 12 games:
MPG - 29.3
PPG - 8.0
RPG - 6.3
TOPG - 2.1
FGM/FGA - 38/89 (42.7%)
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psrs1 wrote: View PostBecause playoff experience is critical for internal development. Furthermore our odds of attracting other free agents increases. Lastly we the fans get a playoff run. This assumes MU cannot get optimal value and rolls the dice re offseason signing.
Having two high quality sophomores gain valuable playoff experience is not inefficient team building.
Furthermore I hope you read the entire thread and it's context.
I totally get what you're saying about playoff experience being valuable to a team, but that's really only if the team stays together. It's not efficient asset management or team-building, if the team is broken up, especially when the engine that drives the team (Lowry) is the piece that is removed (by walking away as a free agent). My whole point was that all the potential benefits of a relatively successful season would be completely undone, if Lowry walks for nothing in return in the offseason.
I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "hope you read the entire thread and it's context". I simply responded to a short message you posted here in the game thread, saying something along the lines of "if the Raptors lose in the conference finals and Lowry leaves as a free agent, I'd be ok with that". I was just asking why you'd be ok with that, because it would seem like the worst possible outcome for this season to me. They would have missed a chance to rebuild/retool and **** ahead of the draft, only to be forced into a rebuild/retool by watching Lowry walk for no return... am I missing something?
If this team proves that the post-Gay improvements and success are for real and they continue to improve, I'd be fine with Lowry being re-signed at a reasonable salary. I just don't get how a season in which the team doesn't win the championship, doesn't take advantage of the loaded draft and lets Lowry leave without getting any sort of return, can be considered a good season. You said you'd be fine with that and I just asked you why, because I can't fathom the logic behind being fine with that and was honestly just trying to understand where you're coming from.Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Thu Jan 16, 2014, 02:12 AM.
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Bendit wrote: View PostC'mon people...this is one game ina season not even a half old. I see the Heat lost to a lowly team tonite and the Spurs got extended by the Jazz. Thisis the nba....good teams lose to shitty teams all the time. They must have plastered RR's smack talk all over the Celtics room before the game
Get ready for the next game. We'll see what the team is made of.
Unlike the spurs and the Heat, we can't afford to lose these gimme games. The whole point of an easy January is to make sure we win these ones because were probably gonna still lose the tougher upcoming matches. Losing to boston = absolute embarrassment and a waste of an easy potential W to keep this team afloat.
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iblastoff wrote: View PostHow are Washington a lowly team. They are literally right behind us in the standings now. We have just dropped back down to 4th in the east.
Unlike the spurs and the Heat, we can't afford to lose these gimme games. The whole point of an easy January is to make sure we win these ones because were probably gonna still lose the tougher upcoming matches. Losing to boston = absolute embarrassment and a waste of an easy potential W to keep this team afloat.
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What a stinker of a game. I blame the article on the frontpage of RR with the 'lol' draped across the picture of the Boston roster. That shit would motivate anyone. But seriously, poor free throw shooting, poor rebounding, poor execution...you ain't gonna win many playing like that. We need more from our big men, but give credit to Boston, they played good D and Sullinger was unstoppable.
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I would say that there was something wrong with JV (flu) and something wrong with Amir (did somebody say ankle?) and that their poor play affected everybody else by significantly changing the game dynamics. And then Ross caught two personal fouls in the first 3 minutes of the game. And then different players tried to put the cape on and save the team. (See Vasquez and Patterson). And Hayes couldn't buy a shot even if he went to a PayDay Loans outlet.
No doubt some team over confidence, and also poor game planning from Casey. He should have told his guys to not let Sullinger get 20 rebounds, because they apparently couldn't figure it out on their own :-)
Should be a great wake up call...but I think there was something physically wrong with JV and Amir and you can't do anything about that. Everyone has bee talking about a quality backup big all season. Last night that particular bird came home to roost. Boston doesn't win that one without all those offensive rebounds. (and consequent free throws from people desperate to stop 2nd and 3rd attempts).
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I only watched the last few minutes of the game and in no way am I throwing DeMar under the bus, but he had 3 costly mistakes in the closing minutes with the game on the line. The pass to Amir when he should have shot the ball, the drive where he lost the ball without anyone touching him (seemingly) and that post up against Lee where he missed on the fade away jump shot (not a mistake, but posting up smaller players is supposed to be his bread and butter).
Those are things DeMar has to clean up if he wants to be considered a legit All Star and if he wants to take his game to the next level.
As a whole, just a really disappointing loss against a team which we should have blown out. Totally a momentum killer.
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Puffer wrote: View PostI would say that there was something wrong with JV (flu) and something wrong with Amir (did somebody say ankle?) and that their poor play affected everybody else by significantly changing the game dynamics. And then Ross caught two personal fouls in the first 3 minutes of the game. And then different players tried to put the cape on and save the team. (See Vasquez and Patterson). And Hayes couldn't buy a shot even if he went to a PayDay Loans outlet.
No doubt some team over confidence, and also poor game planning from Casey. He should have told his guys to not let Sullinger get 20 rebounds, because they apparently couldn't figure it out on their own :-)
Should be a great wake up call...but I think there was something physically wrong with JV and Amir and you can't do anything about that. Everyone has bee talking about a quality backup big all season. Last night that particular bird came home to roost. Boston doesn't win that one without all those offensive rebounds. (and consequent free throws from people desperate to stop 2nd and 3rd attempts).
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Puffer wrote: View PostI would say that there was something wrong with JV (flu) and something wrong with Amir (did somebody say ankle?) and that their poor play affected everybody else by significantly changing the game dynamics. And then Ross caught two personal fouls in the first 3 minutes of the game. And then different players tried to put the cape on and save the team. (See Vasquez and Patterson). And Hayes couldn't buy a shot even if he went to a PayDay Loans outlet.
No doubt some team over confidence, and also poor game planning from Casey. He should have told his guys to not let Sullinger get 20 rebounds, because they apparently couldn't figure it out on their own :-)
Should be a great wake up call...but I think there was something physically wrong with JV and Amir and you can't do anything about that. Everyone has bee talking about a quality backup big all season. Last night that particular bird came home to roost. Boston doesn't win that one without all those offensive rebounds. (and consequent free throws from people desperate to stop 2nd and 3rd attempts).
Casey has had a very tight rotation and fouls completely threw them off. It forced Casey to play players he normally wouldn't (Fields and Novak), and forced Amir and Ross to see a reduction in minutes.
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