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    Default Lowry/Derozan - best backcourt in the East?

    Given the way our starting backcourt having been performing since the Gay trade, do you think they are the best PG/SG combo in the East? Here are the other Eastern teams starting backcourts according to ESPN depth charts:

    Indy - Hill/Stephenson
    MIA - Chalmers/Wade
    ATL - Teague/Korver
    WAS - Wall/Beal
    CHI - Hinrich/Butler - add Rose for the sake of argument if you want
    DET - Jennings/Caldwell-Pope
    BKN - Williams/Johnson
    CHA - Walker/Henderson
    NYK - Felton/Shumpert
    CLE - Irving/Miles
    BOS - Pressey/Bradley - throw in Rondo if you want, he's ready to play
    PHI - Carter-Williams/Turner
    ORL - Nelson/Oladipo - add Afflalo at SG if you want, he is listed as the starting SF but I believe Oladipo had some injuries and AA may have moved to SG for those games, I'm not sure
    MIL - Knight/ G'Po

    edit: I noticed in the depth charts that Derozan is listed as the SF, and Tross as the SG, but we know the difference

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    I still think Hill/Stephenson is better as of right now. Hill is really underrated, playing with the likes of George and Roy Hibbert. He's been as important their success as anyone else this year. Stephenson has had a breakout year.

    Kinda off topic, but Rondo/Bradley could be great in a couple years (barring any Rondo trade).
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    I think it's LeBron and Wade. I don't care what LeBron's player card says. He's no more a forward than Magic was. He handles more typical back court duties than Demar.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I think it's LeBron and Wade. I don't care what LeBron's player card says. He's no more a forward than Magic was. He handles more typical back court duties than Demar.

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    ^^ This. But based on JawsGT's list i'd take the Wall/Beal combo.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I think it's LeBron and Wade. I don't care what LeBron's player card says. He's no more a forward than Magic was. He handles more typical back court duties than Demar.

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    Yeah he's pretty much the starting PG on the heat Chalmers is a spot up shooter

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    I can understand the desire to include Lebron, but c'mon, he can play all 5 positions and is listed as the SF, ignore him for the sake of argument. He is better alone than most of those combos listed above.

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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I still think Hill/Stephenson is better as of right now. Hill is really underrated, playing with the likes of George and Roy Hibbert. He's been as important their success as anyone else this year. Stephenson has had a breakout year.

    Kinda off topic, but Rondo/Bradley could be great in a couple years (barring any Rondo trade).
    LOL Hill/Stephnson? Why has nobody called this guy out? Hill and his 10 pts 3 assists per. Derozan vs Stephenson is close, maybe lead going to Lance, but Lowry blows Hill out of the water, this year and every year. Hell, he has a 13.3 PER to Lowry's TWENTY.

    I know people hate giving us the "best of" anything, but our 2 best starters are better than Indiana's two worst starters, believe it or not.
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    Based on that list I would say yes, we do have the best backcourt in the East. I don't see how you can say Wall/Beal when Derozan/Lowry just absolutely dominated them 2 weeks ago.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Based on that list I would say yes, we do have the best backcourt in the East. I don't see how you can say Wall/Beal when Derozan/Lowry just absolutely dominated them 2 weeks ago.
    pretty easy. more upside. stats are already comparable with DD and Lowry, except the latter two are way older. bradley is a way more rounded player than DD will ever be.
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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    pretty easy. more upside. stats are already comparable with DD and Lowry, except the latter two are way older. bradley is a way more rounded player than DD will ever be.
    Didn't realize the question was "best upside in the East"
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Didn't realize the question was "best upside in the East"
    oh sure. lets do it the other way. wall already averages more assists in his 3rd year than lowry does now, whos having a career high after 8 seasons. along with more assists, wall also averages more ppg. wall is a better FT shooter, equal rebounder, and more steals and even blocks than lowry averages after 8 seasons. wall even gets to the line more. 3 point shooter-wise, lowry has the one up on that.

    all this and 4 years younger than lowry is.

    i could do the same thing with beal vs derozan if you really insist.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    oh sure. lets do it the other way. wall already averages more assists in his 3rd year than lowry does now, whos having a career high after 8 seasons. along with more assists, wall also averages more ppg. wall is a better FT shooter, equal rebounder, and more steals and even blocks than lowry averages after 8 seasons. wall even gets to the line more. 3 point shooter-wise, lowry has the one up on that.

    all this and 4 years younger than lowry is.

    i could do the same thing with beal vs derozan if you really insist.
    I insist who is Beal a way more rounded player then Derozan? And since you said way it better be huge difference.

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    Quote 4hunnit_degreez wrote: View Post
    I insist who is Beal a way more rounded player then Derozan? And since you said way it better be huge difference.
    easy. 3 point shooting. huge difference. done.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    easy. 3 point shooting. huge difference. done.
    hahaha troll

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    Quote 4hunnit_degreez wrote: View Post
    hahaha troll
    how? whats a crucial element missing from derozans game to actually make him more of a rounded player?

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    how? whats a crucial element missing from derozans game to actually make him more of a rounded player?
    DeRozan is a better defender, better ball handler, and a wayy better scorer. He puts up 21 ppg without a consistent 3 pt shot
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    DeRozan is a better defender, better ball handler, and a wayy better scorer. He puts up 21 ppg without a consistent 3 pt shot
    did you just try and tell a really bad joke? i like derozan, but pretty much none of that is true.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    how? whats a crucial element missing from derozans game to actually make him more of a rounded player?
    When you said Bradley Beal is a way more well rounded player then derozan it doesn't just mean 3pt shooting ability, your right that Derozan isn't a consistent 3pt shooter like Beal but Derozan is the better rebounder, passer and scorer then Beal is so how can you say that Beal is way better then derozan in an all round game when that just isn't true? Beal on the season averages
    PPG:17.4

    RPG: 3.6

    APG: 3.0

    SPG: 0.8

    BPG: 0.2

    And Derozan averages
    PPG: 21.3

    RPG: 4.5

    APG: 3.6

    SPG: 1.2

    BPG: 0.5

    So that's why I called you a troll because when you said Beal is a way more rounded player then derozan. Your simply wrong and I have the stats to back it up

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    did you just try and tell a really bad joke? i like derozan, but pretty much none of that is true.
    All of it is true. Brad Beal isn't that great
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    Quote 4hunnit_degreez wrote: View Post
    When you said Bradley Beal is a way more well rounded player then derozan it doesn't just mean 3pt shooting ability, your right that Derozan isn't a consistent 3pt shooter like Beal but Derozan is the better rebounder, passer and scorer then Beal is so how can you say that Beal is way better then derozan in an all round game when that just isn't true? Beal on the season averages
    PPG:17.4

    RPG: 3.6

    APG: 3.0

    SPG: 0.8

    BPG: 0.2

    And Derozan averages
    PPG: 21.3

    RPG: 4.5

    APG: 3.6

    SPG: 1.2

    BPG: 0.5

    So that's why I called you a troll because when you said Beal is a way more rounded player then derozan. Your simply wrong and I have the stats to back it up
    Lol are you serious? Those aren't his averages. Those are his current season stats as of 37 games. He's played 5 seasons already. His ACTUAL average is lower.

    Those stats on beal are only from 27 friggin games. But that's ok I'll let you roll with it. The fact that beal is A SOPHOMORE who's stats aren't even significantly different from derozans except he's shooting higher 3 pointers than LOWRY clearly makes beal the more rounded player.

    The fact that Beals assists numbers aren't that far from derozans (the one thing everyone's so proud of DD for this season) except it took DD 5 years to get to those numbers and beal only 2, makes beal the more solid player in that department as well.

    Overall, wall and beal together are clearly the better of the pair.

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