"Analytics has a place. It can’t be the be all end all. I’m still trying to figure out when the Oakland Athletics won a championship with all the analytics they have."
—Coach Hollins, who is a better basketball mind than you are.
This is such pussy Canadian mentality. You let someone burn you and then you beg them for forgiveness.
I don't think ANYONE is asking Vince to forgive us. No one is begging for his forgiveness. I believe this SN film will show Vince saying everything just short of an apology and essentially asking us to forgive him. Not the other way around. He clearly wants to come back here and have his number retired. When we all collectively boo former players for past sins a decade after the fact who is it that looks like the "whiny little bitches"? It's us. Let's move on
I like the idea, the whole vc thing was traumatic, and scarred the franchise, fan base and his career. If we keep Lowry and Amir, add Tyler Ennis and bring in VC we can generate some excitement and bring closure. Might as well give the whole story a chance to end well. He's our anakin skywalker.
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can't read this whole thread, but just my two cents:
I definitely see this as part of the rebranding. Change the VC days from a negative (no player wants to play here) to a positive: remember when we had that sick athlete who held the league's breath.
That's good for marketing fans and players (FAs).
This is not good.... this is one of those... VC might come back to the Raptors kinda thing.....
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO x a million
A lot of people remain amicable friends with their ex's. It shows growth and maturity. Also, a relationship is a two-way street. Players aren't playing for you, they're playing for a pay cheque, teammates and coach. As fans, we aren't part of the relationship.. we're just spectators.
To follow the analogy, he's more like an ex that cheated, admitted it, never apologized, and then took the house and kids in the divorce. Who talks to that kind of ex?!
I've never cared one way or another about VC or any other former player. I've always said that the booing makes us look foolish and has even served to motivate Raptors' opponents (VC, TMac and Bosh have all publically stated that the continual booing motivated them while playing against the Raptors in Toronto). However, I really have no desire to see VC come back to the Raptors, unless it helps successfully lure Durant via free agency in 2016.
Vince Carter was a really good quitter who lacked the toughness and leadership abilities to overcome adversity and so he resorted to whining, leaking garbage and finally then taking games, exaggerating injuries and even in one case giving plays away in order to pressure the team into trading him. His selfish, egotistical, shortsighted acts killed all trade value and set the Raptors back years. He essentially gave a big F'you to the fans in the end.
Memories fade, scars lighten but let's not let that cloud how he conducted himself and the long term implications. It wasn't the act of requesting a trade, it was how he forced the trade. It was dirty, unprofessional and unethical actions that were used on his part to force the Raptors hand.
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If you look back on our nearly 20 years of existence, how many former GOOD players can you name that can come back to the ACC and not get booed? Let's say TL decides to throw a big 20th anniversary party and invite former players to come speak. He wouldn't be able to invite, for example, any of the Raptors who have made the All-Star game. Sure, we've got consummate pro's like Mo Pete, maybe a Jalen Rose because he loves publicity, and Alvin Williams. But what about our truly great players? T-Mac? Vince? Davis? Bosh? None of those guys can come because the fans would scream bloody murder, and I think that's really unfortunate.
It would be really nice, for a change, to have a good player leave our team on good terms.
2) Using your analogy, you have an employee you hire for 7 years, in year 5 he starts showing up to work late, slacking off, costing you business at every turn and selling your company's private info to competing companies and then laughing it off to your face.
I doubt you bring him back for the ribbon cutting ceremony when opening your new building.
What Vince did was a prolonged, premeditated string of actions to get his own way no matter the cost to the fans or the organization. It's not like he spilled his Shirley Temple on the hardwood, which led to water damage on the court or something. He ripped a huge hole in the franchise which you could argue they never recovered from. The Raptors signed all his key teammates(Davis, JYD, Alvin, etc.) to long term deals to get Vince to re-sign. In doing so they invested a lot of money into those guys. Those guys worked really well with Vince and you could argue they were worth it while playing with Vince. Vince ripped himself out of the equation, left the Raptors with nothing in return, along with a bunch of high priced, low value deadweight for the most part. Contracts they were stuck with for a long time which caused a real rebuild to be postponed for three years.
Vince is a big boy and he knows what he did. He knew at the time what it would mean to the team, his teammates and the fans. He hasn't shown that he's sorry, he hasn't shown he gives a damn about anyone but himself.
I wouldn't mind seeing VC back.
Its not true.
There are likely a very large number of players that would have answered that question exactly the same way.
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