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    Default Looking ahead: what position(s) needs upgrading?

    I know most of us are pretty high on the Starting Lineup of Lowry, Ross, Derozan, Amir and JV ... but in order to go from where we are (successful winning roster) to Title Contender, somethings gotta give, and someones gotta go in order to make the necessary improvements.

    So I'm not asking which route do we take in order to make the improvements, I'm asking which Position is primed ready for an Upgrade. I'm going with PF. Sorry Amir.

    I really like what Lowry, Ross, Derozan bring to the 1,2,3 Position as a tandem, and feel they can grow into a very solid Trio. And JV is the Boss.
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    SF. DD gone, Ross to the 2, new guy at the 3.

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    Amir definitely, he is a 3rd big on a champion.

    It'd be WONDERFUL to have a glue guy starter wing like Stephenson or Iguodala and have Ross as a first option off bench, but they don't exactly grow on trees.

    We could knock on the door of a title (right there with Indy, OKC) with a lineup Lowry-Derozan-Iguodala-Millsap-Valanciunas. Bench: Vasquez, Ross, Salmons (foul trouble spot duty), 2Pat and Amir.
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    Top priority should be the forward positions, both PF and SF.

    I'd prefer a more traditional post-up starting PF, who will draw double-teams and contribute more consistently offensively.

    I would also prefer a true SF to play alongside Ross. DeRozan is not a true SF and I prefer what Ross brings to the SG spot (3&D).

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    This is a really good question. Amir adds all the intangibles and is such a strong individual and team defender. If he was replaced with a more potent low post scorer, than that guy has to be able to match Amir's defense or JV has to be a defensive anchor. Plus Amir has a mid range game which helps spread the floor and give space for our guards. A post only type big would potentially clog the paint.

    If Ross was replaced or sent to the bench, we still need a wing that can hit the 3 and play strong D. DanH's idea could be a reasonable option, but I really like the Lowry/DD/TRoss combo. If there is a PF we can get that plays strong D, has a post presence, and can hit a distance shot, then I'll take him! Amir would be a good 3rd big, and his minutes would be less so I think that would be good too.

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    I was gonna say jv but I hope he turns into something beautiful to watch (hoping fingerscrossed) sorry Amir it's gotta be you...
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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    SF. DD gone, Ross to the 2, new guy at the 3.
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    Gotta go with Amir. Insert a star PF and this team makes some serious noise

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    I say either a SF and make Ross the SG or PF who can hit midrange shots and also post up (Millsap)

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    I would like to see a new SF, move Ross to the SG, then possibly have DeMar come off the bench as a sixth man.
    We could also REALLY use a backup PG and C.

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    Quote wallz wrote: View Post
    Gotta go with Amir. Insert a star PF and this team makes some serious noise
    This. Unless Lowry bolts out then you need to upgrade PG position.
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    the OP is quite clear in his choice of words -

    So I'm not asking which route do we take in order to make the improvements, I'm asking which Position is primed ready for an Upgrade
    I'm going to say as things stand currently we needs an upgrade at PF with age, ceiling and salary in mind.
    I'm quite happy with Ross starting at the 3. we have a good second unit in Salmons and P.Pat getting major minutes off the bench.

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    derozans spot. good enough to open the game up for ross. not good enough as a primary threat.

    i dont know how long amir can go on for though. heavy minutes on his ankles is just getting risky.
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    We are pretty much set at PG and SG with Lowry and DD. Centre is set with BigVal and PF is safe with Amir. The only position is SF and with reliable player there and some internal growth this team can compete for title for many years to come.

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    It has to be PF for me. I love Amir and what he brings but he doesn't have the talent for a starting PF on a title contender. When he brings the effort he can be a starting PF on a title contender but when he doesn't bring the effort he is dreadful to watch. A simple Amir for 2Pat switch might be a solid enough upgrade without trading anyone.

    Ross is fine at the SF as not every SF is 6'8. He makes up for being smaller easily with his athleticism. Is he the long term solution at the 3? Probably not. He does not have the skill yet to take Derozans spot for me and should slot into the 6th man role if the SF is upgraded.

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Amir definitely, he is a 3rd big on a champion.

    It'd be WONDERFUL to have a glue guy starter wing like Stephenson or Iguodala and have Ross as a first option off bench, but they don't exactly grow on trees.

    We could knock on the door of a title (right there with Indy, OKC) with a lineup Lowry-Derozan-Iguodala-Millsap-Valanciunas. Bench: Vasquez, Ross, Salmons (foul trouble spot duty), 2Pat and Amir.
    Agree that Amir is the perfect 1st Big off the Bench. Especially with his expanded range of late.

    I disagree that Ross should be coming off the bench. I think he's proven himself, at least cautiously, that he can start in the NBA and contribute. In the playoffs, his ability to hit open shots, and play Defense will be crucial. We're seeing him turning into a Bruce Bowen type only more athletic.

    I'd be open to maximizing on Derozan's value, if it brought back a clear upgrade for SF, but I still think that PF needs to be the target, and unfortunately, I believe we'll have to part with Amir to get that Upgrade. Or Patterson and pieces. Amir is the better bench option though.
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Amir definitely, he is a 3rd big on a champion.

    It'd be WONDERFUL to have a glue guy starter wing like Stephenson or Iguodala and have Ross as a first option off bench, but they don't exactly grow on trees.

    We could knock on the door of a title (right there with Indy, OKC) with a lineup Lowry-Derozan-Iguodala-Millsap-Valanciunas. Bench: Vasquez, Ross, Salmons (foul trouble spot duty), 2Pat and Amir.
    I'm not so sure Amir is a 3rd big on a contender but that's just an opinion. It's all a matter of teammates. I think he would start in SA and Miami based on their current lineups. OKC and Indiana I think you're right, 3rd big. His help D is incredible, and he's a 5th option on O who doesn't have a single play ever run for him. He can run in transition and has great touch around the rim (though not lately).

    I think the C is our biggest need for upgrade if we were to contend now. JV will get there eventually but his D just isn't there at the moment to protect the rim when helping on D. He also doesn't have enough offence at the moment to offset his poor D either. The worst part is we literally have no one to bring in to relieve him either so he has to be a bit passive on D to avoid fouls.
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    Its gotta be the 4 spot. Amir, Patterson, Hansbrough is a solid bench corp of bigs. If this team had Kevin Love, for example, they might move on to contender status.

    A poll might be good here

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    I don't think "an upgrade" at any position gets us to contender status. We need ELITE talent to get there. You focus on getting the elite talent at WHATEVER position and the rest of the team (provided you aren't giving away every other player on the roster) is good enough as a supporting cast. Where that elite talent comes from or what position it is I have no idea.

    For me it's more of a question of who we can get for what price as opposed to a specific position.

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    Quote RobertArchibald wrote: View Post
    I'm not so sure Amir is a 3rd big on a contender but that's just an opinion. It's all a matter of teammates. I think he would start in SA and Miami based on their current lineups. OKC and Indiana I think you're right, 3rd big. His help D is incredible, and he's a 5th option on O who doesn't have a single play ever run for him. He can run in transition and has great touch around the rim (though not lately).

    I think the C is our biggest need for upgrade if we were to contend now. JV will get there eventually but his D just isn't there at the moment to protect the rim when helping on D. He also doesn't have enough offence at the moment to offset his poor D either. The worst part is we literally have no one to bring in to relieve him either so he has to be a bit passive on D to avoid fouls.
    if birdman isnt even a starter for the heat theres no fucknig way amir would be

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