There is no doubt Salmons will be gone next year.
Last edited by BobLoblaw; Sun Jan 26th, 2014 at 03:59 PM.
Couple of people here have mentioned Vince.
I am i the camp that will never truly forgive Vince for what he did - taking games off (self-admitted) and publicly calling for a trade (completely took away Raps bargaining power).
Having said that, I am all about the Raps improving as a team. The recent attempt by MLSE to rehabilitate his reputation, perhaps in preparation for the All-Star game in 2016, leads me to believe they wish to sign him. It may be he wishes to rehabilitate his reputation as well. If he is available for a good price, I am okay with the Raps signing him. Doesn't change what happened, but I'm okay with him helping the Raps move forward. And then he can get his championship ring with the Raps and JV and Lowry and DD and Amir and TRoss and Kevin Durant in 2017.
I think keeping Amir's contract is a no brainer. As for Salmons it would depend on who we can sign in place of Salmons. As it stands he's the most reliable wing back up that we have. Salmons gives you a reliable veteran defender and secondary ball handler. Obviously 7M is too much for what he gives you but his contract is only an issue if it prevents the Raps from signing someone else that they really want. Looking at the FA list, there really aren't many reliable two way vets with ball handling capabilities out there. You can make an argument for Sefalosha and Ariza but their current teams would likely want to resign them. The other possible scenario is that the Raps end up drafting a wing with their first round pick, which would might force them into letting Salmons go. At the end of the day, despite his "bad contract" I'd still keep him unless a better option is available.
Even if you wanted to keep him, you would still cut him and look to re-sign him on the cheap. You can do much better with 6 mil, whether it's a better backup, or space to be used in trades.
Anyway, the poster said that Vince and Salmons bring similar things. My reply was that Vince is a much better player.
I don't really care about all the emotional scars and the whole 'lets bring Vince back or not' discussion. I'm more on the pragmatic side, I'd welcome anyone who wants to be here and helps the team. Besides, there's a different thread for that. I posted that reply because Salmons seemed way overrated there.
Keep in mind, that decision to cut Salmons has to be made before free agency starts. So this isn't a question of "lets look around at who wants to sign here, then maybe cut Salmons." You have to cut him before you look around. Either way, he's way overpaid, and there are bound to be plenty of better ways to use that cap space either in July or later, so I think it's an easy decision.
Last edited by BobLoblaw; Sun Jan 26th, 2014 at 08:32 PM.
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I think you have to keep Amir because he's versatile and he gives effort, and he's a solid big man who can start if needed. You're not going to find a better starting 4 for anything near what Amir makes.
Salmons on the other hand... no. No, no, no. Keeping those kinds of contracts around is such an old Raptors move.
What you learn from Salmons is that you want a guy on the bench who can play the wing and also handle the ball, something the Raptors have lacked. You use that information to find a similar guy cheaper in free agency, or via trade. But as any team that has rewarded Salmons knows, eventually the bloom comes off that rose.
I think keeping Amir is still up in the air especially after the way Patterson has played. If we look at what we have next year PF wise, Patterson, Hansbrough, and Novak, wouldn't that be a solid enough PF rotation going forward for the team? I love Amir and all but his money would be better spent elsewhere. He might be a perfect trade chip come draft time to move up the draftboard. Paying 7 mil for the player we have seen the past stretch of games is not worth it in my opinion. If Amir turns it around playing more like the "game sealing rebound against Dallas" Amir, you pick up that option in a hurry.
Novak is a waste of 3+ million at this point.
I'm not a big Hansborough guy. He's fine if he's not your third big I guess.
Hayes will be around next year as well given his salary (over 6 mil) unless somebody wants his expiring contract in the summer.
In theory sure, the Raptors could spend that 7 million somewhere. But where? It really depends who else is back, what they do in the draft or via trade, and who is actually a free agent. If you renounce both Amir and Salmons, you have some cap room. But then you've opened up two rotation spots as well.
But Amir won't be cut. You only save 2 mil by cutting him. So forget about 7 mil. The question is do you want Amir for 2 mil for 1 year? Even the most pessimistic answer would still be yes.
A guy that would be great if we could get him in place of Salmons is Francisco Garcia. Solid vet that can defend and space the floor. Richard Jefferson or Jason Richardson might be worth a look as well. Don't think it will be difficult to replace Salmons.
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