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    I don't believe Lowry is the long term solution at PG for the Raptors and if they pay him this off-season they will get burned. I appreciate how he's playing right now and props to him but I hope he gets paid elsewhere.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't believe Lowry is the long term solution at PG for the Raptors and if they pay him this off-season they will get burned. I appreciate how he's playing right now and props to him but I hope he gets paid elsewhere.
    And what would be the solution for the PG spot? If you have one of the better PG's in the league right now and the draft is thin of quality PG's who can contribute right away, then what is the plan?

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    I'm really interested in Tyler Ennis. Everyone is saying that he is the player that the raps should go for in the draft but our pick might be a bit too high to land him. I would love to have some Canadian talent on our team. But what do you guys think would happen if somehow we did manage to draft him and kept lowry? We would most likely have to part with vasquez am i right?

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    One thing that's probably for sure is that there is not a single scenario involving Lowry leaving that will make this team better now. Which without a real plans set regarding the future of the point guard position on this team makes letting him leave such a god damn risky thing to do.
    I trust Masai to make the right move though.
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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    Steph Curry only got $11m a year because the year before he signed that extension he only played 26 games and there was serious concern that his ankles were debilitated.
    Lowry hasn't been injury free throughout his time in Toronto either. Plus he's a bit older. I think Salmon is right.

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    I don't believe Lowry is the long term solution at PG for the Raptors and if they pay him this off-season they will get burned. I appreciate how he's playing right now and props to him but I hope he gets paid elsewhere.
    I'm a huge lowry fan, but this should be our position as a team. Because we are stuck with Derozan's contract, we really can't take the risk of paying Lowry 10+ million and then hoping that they both play like this every year. Our starting backcourt for the next 3 years would be 2 slightly above average players taking up $20 million + for 3 to 4 years.

    There is no reason to think, based on Lowry's whole career, that he will stay healthy or sustain this play after he gets a contract. We have to remember that, except for this year, he has not really improved our team anymore than Calderon did during the previous years.

    That being said, we should go into the negotiation basically telling lowry that we want to pay him 5-7 million, or any other number where it would be a steal. If he doesn't sign, no problem. If he does, great.

    I would rather have lowry leave for nothing than pay him 10+ million a year

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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    I'm a huge lowry fan, but this should be our position as a team. Because we are stuck with Derozan's contract, we really can't take the risk of paying Lowry 10+ million and then hoping that they both play like this every year. Our starting backcourt for the next 3 years would be 2 slightly above average players taking up $20 million + for 3 to 4 years.

    There is no reason to think, based on Lowry's whole career, that he will stay healthy or sustain this play after he gets a contract. We have to remember that, except for this year, he has not really improved our team anymore than Calderon did during the previous years.

    That being said, we should go into the negotiation basically telling lowry that we want to pay him 5-7 million, or any other number where it would be a steal. If he doesn't sign, no problem. If he does, great.

    I would rather have lowry leave for nothing than pay him 10+ million a year
    As another option to consider, would you pay Lowry $10M per season and trade DeRozan?

    I agree that paying those two players $20M (1/3 total cap space) limits the team's potential and financial flexibility. If no better PG options are available, I'd strongly consider rolling out a Lowry/Ross backcourt, while looking to upgrade the SF spot. DeRozan is a valuable trade chip, while the team would essentially transfer the ~$10M cap space from DeRozan to Lowry. Just a thought for consideration...

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    Quote JRedmond14 wrote: View Post
    Not to ruin the discussion or anything but he won't leave. No I don't have proof of that but there have been signs that point me strongly to believe he is going to be our PG for years to come. Lowry & Co have proved to Masai that they can be winners. Masai will want to keep Lowry around at all costs. Speaking of costs, Leiweke just threw down $100 million on two soccer players. What makes you think that he isn't going to spend another 10 million to keep Lowry around? Leiweke has said that we will go into the Luxury tax if we have to do so.
    IMO money isn't really the biggest problem here. With his injury/personality/everything else history, front office has to try and gauge whether he'll keep this kind of play up once he gets a fat contract. That's a huge decision.
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    As another option to consider, would you pay Lowry $10M per season and trade DeRozan?

    I agree that paying those two players $20M (1/3 total cap space) limits the team's potential and financial flexibility. If no better PG options are available, I'd strongly consider rolling out a Lowry/Ross backcourt, while looking to upgrade the SF spot. DeRozan is a valuable trade chip, while the team would essentially transfer the ~$10M cap space from DeRozan to Lowry. Just a thought for consideration...
    I agree on the DD trade possibility. But BallaBalla's proposed 5-7 Mil is cray cray. He's earning 6 and change at the moment. So he takes a paycut? As for the concerns of future health and shape of Lowry, I pulled this nifty nugget on Mr. Larry Sanders via Wikipedia:

    On August 20, 2013, Sanders signed a four-year, $44 million contract extension with the Bucks. In December, Sanders was sidelined for 25 games after sustaining a torn ligament in his thumb in a night club altercation. Sanders was fined for the two municipal citations of disorderly conduct and assault and battery charges, but police did not pursue further criminal charges.

    How's Sanders' season so far?

    $44 million doesn't buy any team in any sport future guarantees.
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    If we keep Lowry I'd pray for him to take somewhere around $8M per season, but I'm a realist. I don't see how he gets less than 10 per (here or elsewhere) if he stays healthy and plays like this for the rest of the year.

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    I agree on the DD trade possibility. But BallaBalla's proposed 5-7 Mil is cray cray. He's earning 6 and change at the moment. So he takes a paycut? As for the concerns of future health and shape of Lowry, I pulled this nifty nugget on Mr. Larry Sanders via Wikipedia:

    On August 20, 2013, Sanders signed a four-year, $44 million contract extension with the Bucks. In December, Sanders was sidelined for 25 games after sustaining a torn ligament in his thumb in a night club altercation. Sanders was fined for the two municipal citations of disorderly conduct and assault and battery charges, but police did not pursue further criminal charges.

    How's Sanders' season so far?

    $44 million doesn't buy any team in any sport future guarantees.
    Sanders is different though. It's just a really bad contract for Milwaukee and based on more potential than anything. Larry Sanders is a good rim protector and they probably hoped he would turn into a better version of Tyson Chandler. I don't expect Lowry to go and get injured in a nightclub. Also, they probably didn't rush Sanders back because they are tanking.

    Lowry has proven himself and is definitely worth money in and around that range. Lowry is also set to enter the prime of his career so there is a little less risk there than a contract like Steve Nash/Lakers.

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    PG is a deep position. It's hard for anyone to command very high salaries. A team may be desperate and throw money at Lowry, but LA is really the only one that could fit the bill I think.

    Something to ponder about PGs....Here is a list of PG salaries in the NBA (they list Tyreke Evans, but we'll just ignore that) that seems to be mostly accurate, except I don't know what to make of Jrue Holiday who they have listed at around 9 million but hoopshype has him listed around 11 million

    http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nba/point-guard/

    Notice that very few are making 12+ million, namely

    Chris Paul
    Deron Williams
    Derrick Rose
    Russell Westbrook
    Tony Parker
    Rajon Rondo

    *Wall will leap into that range once his extension kicks in.

    Then you have no one else making more than 11 million....albeit some guys have escalating salaries that will climb above that in years to come. (Curry, Lawson)

    So I'm not sure what to make of Lowry's free agency. I think despite his great season, it's not that hard to argue that at best, he's at about Lawson's level, and Lawson is a year younger with a bit more success.

    I'm on the fence about whether it would be worth it to re-sign Lowry at a 10+ million per season salary. I don't think I'd be too happy with it. Seems like a big investment in a PG when the position is deep and the team is still not close to contending. I'd hope for a number like 9.5 million at most. And I wouldn't give him a 5 year deal...4 years at most, with the 4th being a player option so if he feels he deserves another big deal, he can opt out and look for one. And I'd hope that the team can also draft a PG who can develop behind Lowry for a couple of years.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    He's worth more than Bosh was.

    right, now, intangibles included, he's the best PG in The Eastern conference.

    He's gonna be signed, and if its for 12 - 13 million, so effin what, 1) not my money 2) you get what you pay for, and this guy is top notch.
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    thanks buddy

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