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    Default Interesting 'JV' Fact

    I was looking at Jonas is NBA game log for this season and I had quickly realized that when JV has at least 10FGA the team wins
    JV had 16 games so far when he had at least 10FGA's and the Raptors are 12-4 when JV has at least 10FGA

    Another stat About JV-
    JV has 19 games so far this season where he grabbed at least 10 rebounds or more and the Raptors are 14-5 when JV grabs at least 10 Boards

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    The raptors have also won 13 of 15 when Jonas has 12 points. Give the man some touches!

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    Raptors are 25-0 when they outscore their opponent

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Raptors are 25-0 when they outscore their opponent
    Shhhhhhh. Don't let the other teams know about that one. They might to do the same.
    It's not just about Lowry...It's about the 3 spot. (Update....we did it)

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Raptors are 25-0 when they outscore their opponent
    lol, don't ya love anecdotal data

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    The raptors have also won 13 of 15 when Jonas has 12 points. Give the man some touches!
    JV needs to play in fourth quarter. He gets better as game goes on.

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    I've noticed a few patterns like this (I.e. when JV gets more FGAs, rebounds, points and minutes we tend to win). This definitely indicates a strong correlation between his individual performance and the team's. However I think this has more to do with Casey benching him when he doesn't play well than the assuming that all he needs is play time to put up statistics

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    Quote Abused Raptors Fan wrote: View Post
    I've noticed a few patterns like this (I.e. when JV gets more FGAs, rebounds, points and minutes we tend to win). This definitely indicates a strong correlation between his individual performance and the team's. However I think this has more to do with Casey benching him when he doesn't play well than the assuming that all he needs is play time to put up statistics
    It's a valid point related to Casey's short leash with young players vs. veterans. Veterans are allowed to make the same mistakes over and over, but Casey still sticks with them - Gay and Vasquez come to mind immediately. If JV or Ross make mistakes in the 1st quarter, then they don't always get a chance to redeem themselves later in the game, and definitely not in the fourth quarter.

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    Quote jacobdr4 wrote: View Post
    The raptors have also won 13 of 15 when Jonas has 12 points. Give the man some touches!
    Correlation doesn't equal causation.

    JV may get 12 points or more, or 10 FGA attempts or more, in wins because the Raps are more willing to run plays to a low option when the game is out of hand or when the opponent is weak.

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    Correlation doesn't equal causation.
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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Thank you.
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    Quote Quirk wrote: View Post
    Then how do you explain the fact that the average shoe size of the prison population is significantly larger than the general population?

    I suppose you could claim that two unrelated things overlap here, like for instance that more inmates are male and men have larger feet, on average, if you wanted to ignore the OBVIOUS FACT THAT PEOPLE WITH BIG FEET ARE CRIMINALS!!!!
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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    Correlation doesn't equal causation.
    But at what point does correlation equal causation. Those splits were pretty one sided....

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    But at what point does correlation equal causation. Those splits were pretty one sided....
    theres never a 'point' that it does. it totally depends on a ton of variables. its like saying demar derozan has been in the starting lineup for numerous seasons and we've had an overall losing record therefore i guess he needs to go. its just a random stat that just happens to line up with each other.

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    I'm agree 100%... JV is a work in progress and this season is revealing the improving areas for him. I really hope we can develop him in the right way.

    Also, this team needs another C and another PF too, we have like 5 PGs?, well with the execption of Klow and GV (that means 1.5 PGs) the rest are awful; let's get rid of all of them and get a veteran C to relieve JV and give us some quality D time against more experienced C in the league. I'm pretty happy with 2Pat (come in for Amir)... but we need someone else (taller and with some offense skills) than Chuck'e cheese Hayes to take this team to the next level.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    It's a valid point related to Casey's short leash with young players vs. veterans. Veterans are allowed to make the same mistakes over and over, but Casey still sticks with them - Gay and Vasquez come to mind immediately. If JV or Ross make mistakes in the 1st quarter, then they don't always get a chance to redeem themselves later in the game, and definitely not in the fourth quarter.
    Casey is not the coach that we need is we like to get somewhere with this team. Believe me!....

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    theres never a 'point' that it does. it totally depends on a ton of variables. its like saying demar derozan has been in the starting lineup for numerous seasons and we've had an overall losing record therefore i guess he needs to go. its just a random stat that just happens to line up with each other.
    I get what you're saying where some stats just line up and have no correlation (hence the correlation/causation), but JV taking more shots and us winning more are not unrelated stats....it isn't a be all end all "we will win if JV takes 10+ shots," but there may be some correlation.

    ie) The ball goes inside more?

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    I get what you're saying where some stats just line up and have no correlation (hence the correlation/causation), but JV taking more shots and us winning more are not unrelated stats....it isn't a be all end all "we will win if JV takes 10+ shots," but there may be some correlation.

    ie) The ball goes inside more?
    12-4 when JV gets 10 or more FGA. Not a perfect correlation.

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    I get what you're saying where some stats just line up and have no correlation (hence the correlation/causation), but JV taking more shots and us winning more are not unrelated stats....it isn't a be all end all "we will win if JV takes 10+ shots," but there may be some correlation.

    ie) The ball goes inside more?
    I see what you're saying, the stat definitely begs the question of whether there is any causation.

    I think it may be more along the lines of:

    JV sits more when he's playing poorly.
    JV doesn't get as many FGA when he's playing poorly.
    >>> Raptors win when JV plays well?

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    Correlation doesn't equal causation.

    JV may get 12 points or more, or 10 FGA attempts or more, in wins because the Raps are more willing to run plays to a low option when the game is out of hand or when the opponent is weak.
    To rephrase it, it's almost impossible to say whether a stat is descriptive or prescriptive. Does JV have an easier time posting up poor teams with weak interior D? Of course. Does he have a hard time posting up against good teams with strong interior D and quick rotations? Of course. Chicken vs. egg problem. How do you impose post play against a team with great interior D? You can't. You'll end up with a low FG%, BA, and TO's.

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