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    Quote Vásquez_Valančiūnas wrote: View Post
    Kyrie Irving is the most overrated point guard in the nba IMO
    I wouldn't call Irving overrated. He's a talent surrounded by bad players and bad coaching staff. I'm also not a fan of the Cavs management. Just look at some of their draft picks after Irving.
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    It's just relative to all the hype he gets. He's very good, but People calling him a superstar, best young PG in the league, Voted Allstar starter, so many ads and billboards etc which I believe makes him very overrated for what he produces right now. Obviously the cavs are terrible in all areas, but he really does not make his teammates better at all, I can understand if he isn't the most popular teammate.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't call Irving overrated. He's a talent surrounded by bad players and bad coaching staff. I'm also not a fan of the Cavs management. Just look at some of their draft picks after Irving.
    Irving was the only 'obvious' pick they've had. Every pick where there has been some room for actual decision making, they've completely botched it. I love TT, but even he was a questionable pick. Waiters is fat.
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    one of the key elements i look for in a player is character...Irving is not a player I want around

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    For all his foibles Kyle makes his team better. Can't say the same thing for Kyrie. I honestly think Wall and Lowry are better PGs than Irving.

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    Watching this Cleveland game right now. They reminds me a lot of the Jay Triano Raptors team. Just horrible in all areas of the game.

    As for Anthony Bennett, i don't want to say the word "B" yet. But he's pretty bad. He's very slow, he looks fat and out of shape.
    I guess him having a shoulder injury side-lining him the entire summer and some of training camp really helped his ability to be great.

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    omfg who is better than kyrie irving that he's overrated?
    you kids need to look up the meanings of these big words you're throwing around.
    wait don't tell me. kyle lowry is better than kyrie irving right? ROFL i don't even have the words.

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    Irving is a hell of a scorer but not, and I am sure he won't become a point guard. Yes he puts up stats, but they haven't got any better since drafting him. This leads me to believe he is a me guy, that believes he should be part of a big three. Especially when he is talking of leaving so early in his career. Winning never just happens, you have to work for it, and loose to get there. But he doesn't make anyone around him better. Even the boys on TNT say the same thing. How can u be there and not make anyone better. He looks for his shot way to often, yes he gets his assists but not before he puts up his shots. Point guards lead and dictate tempo. The great ones do anyway and it all starts and ends with them. He is not a leader that way, just a stat stuffer, that is shot first and not pass. I beg to differ for him even making the all-star game based on performance of his team. Yes the points are nice, but they haven't won like 25 games since drafting him. So in reality he is another score first guard, not a point guard. If we can get him he is only worth it if he can change his game to become a Point Guard. And judging from his previous 3 seasons, he is not doing that just looking to score more.

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    one of the key elements i look for in a player is character...Irving is not a player I want around
    Coming out of college and high school his character was one of the biggest things going for him.

    It would appear that a weak locker room, insane hype, and poor coaching/management has caused him to become a little bit of a knob. Also the constant feud between him and Waiters is not helping the environment.

    If I was Cleveland I would look to trade Waiters and hire Charles Oakley as an assistant coach.
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    I was reading on B/R and it said that Kyrie Irving is unhappy in Cleveland and he's gonna bolt as quick as he can.
    That idea comes from a Chad Ford chat wrap and in it he states that while Kyrie is unhappy, almost no rookies ever turn down an extension due to the risk involved (especially with his injury history) and that he only stated it because it helps show why Cleveland should be buyers around the deadline in an effort to keep him happy. Their GM is on the hotseat and might be going into full Colangelo mode right about now. There's more here:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10...ture-cleveland

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    one of the key elements i look for in a player is character...Irving is not a player I want around
    I can't believe people throw around statements like this. Remind me again what the knock on our current point guard was until he found the right situation/coach/organization? This is a guy that coach K loves, and there's a reason for it. But the Cavs are a dysfunctional organization right now and their roster is full of guys that don't fit together, run by a GM that can't draft to save his life, and Kyrie probably feels like he has to put the entire team on his shoulders most nights and is trying to do too much. This same narrative plays out over and over and over in the NBA; some players just need a better situation than the one they've been thrown into to thrive. See: Sacramento and Cousins.

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    I tried to watch the Cavs/Knicks game last night and made it to half before turning it off. Absolutely awful basketball to watch.

    What I don't understand about Kyrie is, why is he so easy to defend at times? First 5 mins of the game he barely touched the ball. Then when he does get it, he basically gets shut down by the dynamic defence of Raymond "don't call me fat" Felton, and Pablo "pass the walking stick" Prigioni. How does a young athletic guard get stopped by two slow guards? How does he manage to dribble into their double team then throw the ball away when he realizes he is in trouble?

    Kyrie is talented and certainly would be better with more talent around him but he seems to have a sort of tunnel vision.

    At this point, Lowry is the better player.

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    People need to start looking at Mike Brown a little harder, dude is the absolute worst. He's abysmal at developing young talent and Bennett is the perfect example front row center. While i don't think he should have been the #1 overall pick, he IS a talented player with a lot of potential and that jackass is straight ruining him.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    People need to start looking at Mike Brown a little harder, dude is the absolute worst. He's abysmal at developing young talent and Bennett is the perfect example front row center. While i don't think he should have been the #1 overall pick, he IS a talented player with a lot of potential and that jackass is straight ruining him.
    This. Brown somehow has a good reputation because he had LeBron for a while.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    People need to start looking at Mike Brown a little harder, dude is the absolute worst. He's abysmal at developing young talent and Bennett is the perfect example front row center. While i don't think he should have been the #1 overall pick, he IS a talented player with a lot of potential and that jackass is straight ruining him.
    The only reason how won coach of the year that one year was because he had LEBRON JAMES! On his team and basically Lebron was calling all the shots

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    Quote Vásquez_Valančiūnas wrote: View Post
    Kyrie Irving is the most overrated point guard in the nba IMO
    I nominate Kemba Walker.
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    I nominate Kemba Walker.
    Kemba gives off a Tyreke Evans vibe for me.

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    I nominate Kemba Walker.
    Really? I don't hear much praise for Kemba.

    Rubio gets my vote.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    People need to start looking at Mike Brown a little harder, dude is the absolute worst. He's abysmal at developing young talent and Bennett is the perfect example front row center. While i don't think he should have been the #1 overall pick, he IS a talented player with a lot of potential and that jackass is straight ruining him.
    I fully agree....

    But Irving also had Byron Scott for 2 years. Scott is not a bad coach (nor do I think he's the greatest or anything). And he's had success with PGs, including a young Chris Paul.

    Management has definitely been the biggest problem in Cleveland, as it was totally stupid to bring back Mike Brown and they've made questionable player moves.

    But I still don't like what I've seen from Irving. I don't think he's toxic or anything, but I haven't seen traits that I look for in a lead guard, especially with his talent level. I don't see leadership. I don't see a strong competitive edge. His ability to get other involved and run the O seems to have been stalled since he came into the league. I don't see the right effort level or attention to detail. And I don't want Toronto to be the team to try and figure out if he can change those things, especially given his likely future cost and apparent fragility.

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    For most overrated PG i'm going with Deron Williams

    All the talent in the world but dude's a maroon
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